NTSB wants to monitor flight deck conversations

So, anyone who is in an airplane required to have a "black box", make me understand why you are so against it, if only the NTSB will be reviewing the tapes? If they use the tapes purely as anonymous information, would you still object (i.e. no certificate/employer action could come from the tapes).
 
So, anyone who is in an airplane required to have a "black box", make me understand why you are so against it, if only the NTSB will be reviewing the tapes? If they use the tapes purely as anonymous information, would you still object (i.e. no certificate/employer action could come from the tapes).

USA Today said:
The recommendation calls for airlines and unions to monitor the recordings as a way to watchdog the workplace.

I think this would be why.

USA Today said:
The reviews should be done anonymously and could not be used to punish individual pilots, the agency said.

But if done by the airlines, it wouldn't be anonymous considering it can be pretty easy to figure out who flew "United 1234".

Now randomly pulling recorders from different airlines as a safety survey wouldn't be a problem so long as it is handled like today's ASRS. A third party should review the recordings and make recommendations on the findings not an airline or FAA official.
 
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SWAPA Opposes Proposal to Use Cockpit Voice Data


DALLAS, Feb. 24 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association today urged Senators to oppose attempts to punish, rather than protect, pilots who voluntarily report errors through established safety programs – including recent efforts to use "black box" cockpit voice recordings (CVR) as a way to enact discipline on pilots.


SWAPA joins fellow pilots from other airlines who oppose Senator Jim DeMint's proposal to allow use of CVR data for disciplinary and punitive action against pilots. The NTSB has recommended that carriers be able to "routinely download and analyze all available sources of safety information, as part of their flight operational quality assurance program." However, the NTSB states specifically that the FAA should "provide appropriate protections to ensure the confidentiality of the de-identified aggregate data; and ensure that this information is used for safety-related and not(emphasis added) punitive purposes."


"The NTSB recommendation for CVR usage might be an honest attempt to promote safety," SWAPA President, Capt. Carl Kuwitzky said, "but the DeMint proposal is a perfect example of a good intention to increase safety that has the exact opposite effect. This proposal and, unfortunately, the NTSB recommendation, are misdirected attempts at promoting safety that will surely backfire."


Southwest pilots fear the NTSB recommendation would jeopardize voluntary reporting program integrity that has been successful in increasing airline safety. We agree that de-identified pilot reporting and aircraft data for many years have been the basis of successful voluntary action programs; Southwest pilots worked closely with the FAA and the airline, helping to establish FAA's Aviation Safety Action Program (ASAP) and Flight Operational Quality Assurance (FOQA). These programs have led to an unprecedented safety record among mainline carriers, and have become industry standard. Adding the threat of privacy violation and out-of-context random monitoring of pilot conversations does nothing to promote aviation safety.


DeMint's proposal is a prime example of how CVR data use could be diverted from a safety-oriented idea to a punitive one. His proposal would specifically empower the government and airline companies to use CVR data for discipline purposes. Senator DeMint's proposal would simply provide a means to punish the entire piloting profession for incidents such as the Minnesota overfly and the Buffalo crash. Government regulations as well as airline company rules already provide a means to punish individual pilots involved in egregious safety violations.


SOURCE Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association
 
If they start doing that, and I end up in a 121 cockpit ever, it will be my solemn duty to talk about the most raunchy and awful things from ten thousand to ten thousand.
 
If they start doing that, and I end up in a 121 cockpit ever, it will be my solemn duty to talk about the most raunchy and awful things from ten thousand to ten thousand.
I would just say absolutely nothing, that would have much more of an effect on them.
 
Say nothing other then checklist items and callouts, except every ten minutes or so yell out, "what the hell was that?!?". Just to keep them guessing.
 
Say nothing other then checklist items and callouts, except every ten minutes or so yell out, "what the hell was that?!?". Just to keep them guessing.

That's like I always wanted to pick up the PA on a very smooth, blue sky day in cruise and emphatically say, "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CAUSE FOR ALARM!!!" which would of course be true. :p
 
If they start doing that, and I end up in a 121 cockpit ever, it will be my solemn duty to talk about the most raunchy and awful things from ten thousand to ten thousand.

"Duuuude, so I met up with Senator Jim DeMint's wife the other night. Let me tell, she is an animal! First, once we got into our hotel room she..."
 
That's like I always wanted to pick up the PA on a very smooth, blue sky day in cruise and emphatically say, "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CAUSE FOR ALARM!!!" which would of course be true. :p

Oh man, that'd make the sheep in the back go looney! :insane:

Good stuff! :laff:
 
That's like I always wanted to pick up the PA on a very smooth, blue sky day in cruise and emphatically say, "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CAUSE FOR ALARM!!!" which would of course be true. :p

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:)
 
As long as the government is willing to install black boxes at every one of their employee's desk and allow monitoring as a 'watchdog' to ensure they are doing their jobs correctly, I guess I couldn't complain too much :)
 
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