NTSB Seeks Better Pilot Skills Oversight

I think this is going to put a lot of pressure on regional airlines to dive much deeper into a specific pilot candidate rather that they 'meet the mins'.

This along with the ATP requirements coming down the pipe is going to potentially change the direction of a lot of regionals. My simple thoughts...
 
I can't believe we still measure commercial pilots based on stick skills in a lazy 8 and chandelle versus scenario based training and decision making skills...
 
Goldmember said:
I can't believe we still measure commercial pilots based on stick skills in a lazy 8 and chandelle versus scenario based training and decision making skills...
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I think thats why it is basically impossible to land a job at 250. Unless it was Mesa in 2007...
 
Goldmember said:
I can't believe we still measure commercial pilots based on stick skills in a lazy 8 and chandelle versus scenario based training and decision making skills...
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Don't discount stick and rudder, that's the backup that will save your ass when scenarios don't go according to plan. Stick and Rudder is what let's you keep the airplane in the air when it shouldn't be flying. Stick and Rudder can prevent you from screwing yourself, and allows you to be that much farther infront of the airplane. Its critical that we are all based on a foundation of stick and rudder.

That said, I think there should be a multi crew rating...
 
I don't really understand why an FO would need to have an ATP. I haven't flown in the airline environment, so I really don't know how much risk is increased when flying with a low time FO.

The way I see it is that the captain is the one making the final decision as to the safe operation of the flight. Granted they work together to complete the flight, but isn't the captain the one making the final decisions/judgement calls?

If the low time FO's were a real hazard to flight safety then I would think we would be seeing many more accidents.

I'm just ignorant though. I'd probably think differently if I had experience in the airline environment. I guess it comes down to low time FO's = low time captains (well, min 1,500 hrs) once they're upgraded?

Haha, I'm fortunate in that I have a good foundation in stick & rudder, flying with dad in the Super Cub since I was 6! lol
 
SuperCubRick said:
I don't really understand why an FO would need to have an ATP. I haven't flown in the airline environment, so I really don't know how much risk is increased when flying with a low time FO.
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I'd rather fly with some of the lower time guys I've flown with than the higher time guys that have gotten away with everything and think that it's okay to continue to do so. Like making up V-speeds and power settings and intentionally wanting to overload an aircraft (beyond both MZFW and MGTOW). The lower time guys I've flown with have tended to be more on the conservative side of things, which I'm more than okay with.

-mini
 
Sing it, Bob.

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SuperCubRick said:
If the low time FO's were a real hazard to flight safety then I would think we would be seeing many more accidents.
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That's what a lot of people think, but they haven't seen the incident reports that I'm emailed on a daily basis. I can definitively tell you that there is a correlation between sub-1500 hour pilots and pilot deviations. Every single one of those events could have ended in tragedy had an experienced air traffic controller not queried the crew. The swiss cheese model of error chains is alive and well, and we're all usually just one "hole" away from fatalities in these instances.
 
minitour said:
I'd rather fly with some of the lower time guys I've flown with than the higher time guys that have gotten away with everything and think that it's okay to continue to do so. Like making up V-speeds and power settings and intentionally wanting to overload an aircraft (beyond both MZFW and MGTOW). The lower time guys I've flown with have tended to be more on the conservative side of things, which I'm more than okay with.

-mini
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You raise a good point, Minitour. There are certainly pilots out there that continuously push/exceed the limits, usually until they get burned. There is GENERALLY (not always) a history of behavior behind any single accident/incident. Had it been detected and rectified earlier, a lot of bad things would probably never come to fruition.
 
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