Not Cool JetBlue. Not. Cool.

Seggy said:
Why is that?
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I like fair competition, it means better prices for the passengers. But it may not be the best thing for the employees. On the other hand it may help the shortage in the way. Anyway, there are many good and bad reasons I can list but I still feel that fair competition needs to be maintained.
 
Jonathan Jerome said:
I like fair competition, it means better prices for the passengers. But it may not be the best thing for the employees. On the other hand it may help the shortage in the way. Anyway, there are many good and bad reasons I can list but I still feel that fair competition needs to be maintained.
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The key word being 'fair'.
 
Jonathan Jerome said:
I like fair competition, it means better prices for the passengers. But it may not be the best thing for the employees. On the other hand it may help the shortage in the way. Anyway, there are many good and bad reasons I can list but I still feel that fair competition needs to be maintained.
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Better prices? Prices are pretty doggone low. How much do you want to pay to travel across the country at 81% the speed of sound?
 
Just because something is cheap does not necessarily mean it has any real value. If everything is allowed to get too " cheap " then we will all be living in poverty in this country ( well, everyone except the ruling class ) because the economy will not support any decent paying jobs.
 
Jonathan Jerome said:
I am patiently awaiting the next form of transport so flying would be like riding a bus.
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So let's hear your reasoning. Why are tickets currently too expensive? Do you think that making another form of transit will reduce the inherent costs associated with pushing a hunk of aluminum through the air at a high rate of speed?

BTW - You look like a new member. Welcome aboard.
 
Seggy said:
Extraordinarily short sighted.

What happens if Emirates gets their wet dream and starts JFK to LHR service? Your place then decides to code share on that route. Wouldn't it be better if you guys grew internally, getting wide-bodies to fly than having ALL of it outsourced? Yes, I know they do give you guys some domestic feed, but unlike the Star Alliance or Sky Team where there is a coordination on who flies what internationally to allow for efficiencies that trickles down to the pilots at Delta and United. You guys get none of the benefits of having a wide body on your pay scale.

Also, you guys are benefiting from a business model (the subsidies Emirates gets from the government over there) that isn't fair to the current Open Skies agreement.
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Yeah, I've heard the drum beating and the angry shouts with pitchforks. I'm still trying to figure out the difference between a "subsidy" and a "government bail out to save the airlines from going under."

Short sighted? Maybe. I highly doubt we'll ever do ANY wide body flying to Europe or the Middle East. We can't compete with the Middle Eastern carriers and the rest of the carriers would eat us up for lunch on the Europe runs. We stick to what we do best, and that's Latin America/South America. We start getting out of our niche, and the stock price will fall just as fast as it shot up if not faster. Then I'll either a) be on the street or b) staring at yet another merger.
 
kellwolf said:
Yeah, I've heard the drum beating and the angry shouts with pitchforks. I'm still trying to figure out the difference between a "subsidy" and a "government bail out to save the airlines from going under."
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There is no such thing as a 'government bailout' in the United States.

Short sighted? Maybe. I highly doubt we'll ever do ANY wide body flying to Europe or the Middle East. We can't compete with the Middle Eastern carriers and the rest of the carriers would eat us up for lunch on the Europe runs. We stick to what we do best, and that's Latin America/South America. We start getting out of our niche, and the stock price will fall just as fast as it shot up if not faster. Then I'll either a) be on the street or b) staring at yet another merger.
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Never say never....

Perfect example is your 'MINT' product.
 
blee256 said:
Not sure what you are getting at.

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/21/rec.congress.airline.deal/

"The measure gives the nation's airlines $5 billion in immediate cash assistance and $10 billion in loan guarantees in an effort to keep several major carriers from collapsing"
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Do you know how much was handed out from that? Much less than 15 Billion dollars. They were also loans that were to be repaid. Not subsidies that didn't need to be repaid.
 
I don't think B6 is weighing in heavily on the who is most subsidized argument...

What they are arguing has to do with revisiting existing agreements through Open Skies that have allowed the Big 3 US Airlines with European Counterparts to control roughly 82% of the TransAtlantic flights. I don't think there's any question that the international flying is precisely where the big 3 make a sizable portion of their profits (or at least it was prior to the current charge for everything model).

Perhaps this is just why B6 was able to flourish in the Caribbean. There was no controlling Caribbean carrier which one of the big3 could have linked up with to monopolize the routes.
 
Seggy said:
Do you know how much was handed out from that? Much less than 15 Billion dollars. They were also loans that were to be repaid. Not subsidies that didn't need to be repaid.
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In this article it states about $10 Billion

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-11-airline-bailout-so-who-got-what/

"While two-thirds of the money doled out by the Department of Transportation did go to the major carriers, hundreds of millions more went to places you wouldn't expect"
 
Flying Saluki said:
JetBlue does make a fair point. United, American,and Delta were all about Open Skies when it benefitted them. Now that it doesn't, they want to pull the ladder up. Seems to be a recurring theme in this industry.
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