Non-rev policy?

[TOGA9]

Jumpseating in or out of uniform: introduce myself, credentials, and ask for permission to ride. Same speech if I'm on the jumpseat or a seat in the cabin.

Non-Revenue in uniform: introduce myself and ask for a ride, just to make sure they know I'm on pass benefits and not a rogue jumpseater.

Non-Revenue out of uniform: introduce myself if the cockpit is not busy. Most crews have told me, "Hey, thanks for saying hello!"

 

[jwp_145]

Jumpseating in or out of uniform: introduce myself, credentials, and ask for permission to ride. Same speech if I'm on the jumpseat or a seat in the cabin.

Non-Revenue in uniform: introduce myself and ask for a ride, just to make sure they know I'm on pass benefits and not a rogue jumpseater.

Non-Revenue out of uniform: introduce myself if the cockpit is not busy. Most crews have told me, "Hey, thanks for saying hello!"

They will know if there has been someone cleared for the jumpseat, even if there is a seat in the back, as in you are a Delta Connection employee and are getting a ride on United. However, if you are riding on metal for which you have nonrev benefits, and you are riding nonrev status, there is no need for you to check in. They won't think you are a rouge jumpseater.

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

Delta's policy is very simple. You only ask the captain if you are jumpseating, ie if the pass has 01P or 02P on it. If they give you a seat in the back, even if you signed up for the jumpseat, you are considered a non-rev on a ZED 0 pass and are not required to check in up front. you do not show up on the paperwork as a JS and we have no way of knowing you are on the plane. Even though this is spelled out very clearly in our FOM, most guys have no idea what the policy actually is.

There are a lot of airlines this way, but "old school" types hate it. They want anyone who asked for a Jumpseat to come ask for it in the cockpit, regardless of how the gate cleared them.

Personally, I think it's an ego trip. The only time I care is if they are sitting 12 inches behind my seat. If they are in the back, who cares?

 

[ZapBrannigan]

It's professional courtesy. Had a Go Jets guy come up front the other day and say, "hey, I'm Ted. I'm your jumpseater. There's a seat in the back"

I said, "are you asking or telling?"

After a minute or two of back peddling I asked him to wait for the Captain in the jetway to ask permission.

I'm a commuter too. His ride home was never in jeopardy, but follow the protocols!

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

It's professional courtesy. Had a Go Jets guy come up front the other day and say, "hey, I'm Ted. I'm your jumpseater. There's a seat in the back"

I said, "are you asking or telling?"

After a minute or two of back peddling I asked him to wait for the Captain in the jetway to ask permission.

I'm a commuter too. His ride home was never in jeopardy, but follow the protocols!

Well the problem is that many procedures have changed to the point that they technically aren't jumpseaters anymore. So it is vague, and just like anything in aviation, if the situation is vague, the outcomes are going to be highly varied.

I'm pretty sure on your company even guys in the back are considered jumpseaters. At my company, the FOM specifically states that the only jumpseaters that are required to check in are those who have a seat ON the jumpseat. How do you expect a pilot to act when the gate agent tells them there is no need to check in?

I think the problem here is that procedures are changing, and pilots aren't really involved in those procedural changes, so we get stuck in the "old" way of doing things. No one ever argues that a guy shouldn't check in if on the jumpseat.

 

[tcco94]

That is why I don't give out buddy passes to anybody not very familiar with how non-rev travel works.

And then they yell and get mad at gate agents when their flight is oversold and don't understand what "standby" meant....or "buddy pass"....