Non-radar IFR departure question

JaceTheAce

JaceTheAce

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What is the recommended climb procedure when a nonradar departure control instructs a pilot to climb to the assigned altitude? Can't find it in the AIM or any other IFR book I have.

Edit: Poll feature won't let me exceed 100 characters. So here are the options:

A) Maintain an optimum climb on the centerline of the airway without intermediate level-offs until 1,000 feet below assigned altitude, then 500 to 1500 feet per minute.

B) Maintain a continuous optimum climb until reaching assigned altitude and report passing each 1,000 foot level.

C) Climb at a maximum angle of climb to within 1,000 feet of the assigned altitude, then 500 feet per minute the last 1,000 feet.
 
A.

ignore the "non-radar" part of the question, its not really relevant.

B is wrong because its asking you to report every 1000 ft, which is not a required report. If a controller needs you to report leaving an altitude he'll ask you, and if there is a traffic conflict he'll give you a contraint to be at your altitude by.

C is wrong because its asking for max angle (Vx) all the way up, which is not right.
 
The required climb gradient or 500ft+ per minute, whichever is greater. The FAA also states that a DP's climb gradient must put you in a position to acquire positive course guidance inside of 10nm from the departure end of the runway (5nm for a DP requiring a turn).

Instrument Procedures Handbook, chapter 2 (I think).
 
Uhh.. I cant find that anywhere in the AIM or IFH. If you can provide a pg. number, that'd help. I agree that its atlease the minimum climb gradient specified by the DP. If no climb gradient is specified your climb rate will depend on your groundspeed as you are required to maintain atleast 200 FPNM.
 
meritflyer said:
Uhh.. I cant find that anywhere in the AIM or IFH. If you can provide a pg. number, that'd help. I agree that its atlease the minimum climb gradient specified by the DP. If no climb gradient is specified your climb rate will depend on you speed as you are required to maintain atleast 200 FPNM.
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that's what he's saying, there are two things to consider:

you are required to maintain 500 FPM minimum, if not you have to advise ATC

next you have to maintain at least the minimum required climb gradient, of which 200 FPNM is the lowest climb gradient out there, others are specified on DP's or ODP's.

nevertheless, you can't go below 500 FPM (unless you advise atc)

per the aim:

d. When ATC has not used the term "AT PILOT'S DISCRETION" nor imposed any climb or descent restrictions, pilots should initiate climb or descent promptly on acknowledgement of the clearance. Descend or climb at an optimum rate consistent with the operating characteristics of the aircraft to 1,000 feet above or below the assigned altitude, and then attempt to descend or climb at a rate of between 500 and 1,500 fpm until the assigned altitude is reached. If at anytime the pilot is unable to climb or descend at a rate of at least 500 feet a minute, advise ATC. If it is necessary to level off at an intermediate altitude during climb or descent, advise ATC, except when leveling off at 10,000 feet MSL on descent, or 2,500 feet above airport elevation (prior to entering a Class C or Class D surface area), when required for speed reduction.
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4-4-9 (d)
 
FLpilot said:
The required climb gradient or 500ft+ per minute, whichever is greater. The FAA also states that a DP's climb gradient must put you in a position to acquire positive course guidance inside of 10nm from the departure end of the runway (5nm for a DP requiring a turn).

Instrument Procedures Handbook, chapter 2 (I think).
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That wasnt was I was getting at although it may have come out wrong. I cant find the BOLD information in any text about IFR I have. It makes sense with regards to the 152 ident slope though. A reference would be great.
 
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