No furloughs at Pinnacle?

Yep. The top things we fought for in this contract are the things that are going away in bankruptcy. As was correctly pointed out, yes, even if we had agreed to wage concessions, we'd still be here, just with a lower starting point. If Delta didn't want to play outside of bankruptcy, there's no way anything the pilot group did would have saved the company.

Really the only reason I'm still plugging away here is for the health insurance. Take that away, and we're not that much better than an entry level mall position, ESPECIALLY for FOs.
 
I think that after Monday, most pilots here will have a voice shouting 'Get Out!' inside their heads.
 
I think that after Monday, most pilots here will have a voice shouting 'Get Out!' inside their heads.

What is going to happen on Monday when management tells non-unionized employees what their new pay/benefits will be?

For example, Colgan MX is non-union and they already know there time is limited. Now they are going to be told about pay cuts. Hope safety remains at least at the bare minimum level that Colgan has strived to hard to maintain.
 
In my message to you last week, I outlined how our unprofitable partner
contracts and escalating expenses caused the decline of our business. Over
the past several months, we took many difficult steps in an attempt to get
Pinnacle Airlines back on track, including making officer and management
reductions across the board, winding down our partnership with US Airways
and pursuing modifications to our contracts with Delta, United and our
labor groups.

Unfortunately, our concerted efforts did not result in a viable solution.
This was not the outcome I had in mind for any of our stakeholders,
especially our workforce, but we must now make the best of a very
difficult situation.

In light of these circumstances, today we have recommenced negotiations
with our organized labor groups to amend our existing collective
bargaining agreements. In doing so, we have asked union leaders for
concessions that are integral to the long-term viability of Pinnacle
Airlines, which include seeking consensual wage, work rule and benefit
changes. As before, we plan to have all workgroups (union and non-union,
front-line and management) participate in these cost reduction efforts
necessary to return Pinnacle to profitability.

Although some terms will vary from one group to another, the following
items would apply to non-union employees once labor agreements have been
modified:

· 5% Wage reductions

· Reduction in the company match to the 401(k) retirement plans -
effective in 2013

· Elimination of our traditional PPO health plan, replaced by two
consumer-driven health plan options – also effective in 2013

· Shift extended sick leave (ESL) to100% employee-paid, consistent with
Pinnacle’s ESL benefits prior to 2012 - also effective in 2013

· Require employee contributions of 25% to the long-term disability (LTD)
insurance plan - also effective 2013

Unionized employees will receive more specific details on the requested
changes from their representatives in the coming days. In terms of timing,
work rule changes and wage concessions would take effect when our labor
agreements have been modified. The proposed benefits plan changes (health,
401(k), ESL and LTD) would take place in 2013.

It is difficult to ask any devoted Pinnacle employee to accept wage and
benefit reductions. But we are seeking concessions that we believe are
necessary to our reorganization, and fair and reasonable given the
circumstances of our business, and will do everything in our power to
maintain an equitable and measured approach to negotiations throughout
this process.

A great number of challenges are now behind us, but still more lie ahead,
and I humbly ask for your continued patience and courage as we work toward
a consensual resolution.

As always, we will keep you informed as we move through this process. On
behalf of the entire management team, I am deeply grateful for your
commitment to Pinnacle, and ask that you do your best to remain focused on
your responsibilities in the coming weeks.

All the best,

Sean

Here is the initial communication from management.

Wonder what the specifics re for the pilot group...
 
I hope people refuse to work under these reductions. Pinnacle and Colgan have low balled bids for flying for years and now the employees are paying the cost. Plenty of other good jobs out there (including some airlines) Very sad what they are trying to turn this industry into. Enough is enough!
 
What was the reason for explaining Spanjers' and Menkes' raise? Oh thats right..."the need to retain talented professionals". Perhaps they should apply the same thinking with the employees both union and non-union... if they don't retain us, the labor, who is going to fly, turn wrenches, and cater the airplanes so that 9E can make money? Its sad... when I was working my way through college I made almost 60k/yr welding for a mfg company... it takes almost 5 years to get back to that level as a professional pilot... I guess I should go back to welding...
 
Of course the thing is, everyone wants everyone else to quit, but few seem to be headed for the exits themselves...

??? People are quitting left and right. Ive flown with 4 FOs in the last 2-3 weeks that have been their last days. One of them was junior manned from his last day at Colgan into his next day. He only agreed when they offered 200% for his entire 4 day.
 
I put in my notice 3.5 weeks ago for another job and so I had the freedom to interview where I really wanted to go (which I got instead so I declined the other job offer) I was low seniority but I am happy I am not dealing with this crap. I would rather be sitting home unemployed until I start class at the next place 2 months away from now. Just to clarify I was quite optomistic about everything but not so much anymore so I bailed.
 
I think that after Monday, most pilots here will have a voice shouting 'Get Out!' inside their heads.

That's what that noise is. I'm about 200 from the bottom. Got interviews in June. Time to run (quickly).
 
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