No Fly List

wheelsup said:
Here the CA's bid, and then the FA's and FO's bid about a week later. So as an FO you can "sorta" pick who you fly with if you want to bid that way, although I never put that much energy into bidding - way too much work.
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I was just going to ask about that...So CA's bid the trips they want first by location, commute and so forth.. and then FA's/FO's/SO's bid after capt. bids are out but can also base their bid on captain preference as well...

that's interesting, i didn't know that's how it worked.
 
When is your contract amendable?

I can't believe there is a whole lot of utility to a no fly list. We're all professionals and adults, right?

If my company had one I think there'd be only two people on it. One was a captain who was a total tool (actually I'd probably fly with him again because I never told him that he was a tool and I think that I'd enjoy telling him as much) and then probably BobDduck because he never e-mails me or returns my phone calls.
 
We don't have a no fly list. Capts bids close two days before F/O's. If you're an F/O you need to bid around any Capts you don't want to fly with.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Speaking of that, rumor has it that a Northwest pilot was able to shut PBS down by adding a preference not to fly with himself and the system actually tried to 'unstack' and honor his preference.

And then the dreaded "DIVIDED BY ZERO" error! :)
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For some reason, that totally cracked me up.

ERROR*ERROR.......LOGIC*SEQUENCE*ERROR.... *poof* goes the PBS server with a little trail of smoke in the air like the cartoons.
 
Here our CA bids close the day prior the FO bids, and about a week prior to the FA bids. That way, if an FO really would rather not fly with a CA, they can edit their bid accordingly.

At my prior company, there was a specific preferential bid of "no fly" with a particular CA. It had each CAs name in the PBS system. The CAs did not have the ability to bid around FOs, however. I'm sure they wished they could though.

I haven't been CA long enough to have my name on the bathroom wall, but I'm sure it's coming... I'm very safety-oriented, and I know it pisses some FOs off that they can't use their iPod in flight and I ask them to use a flashlight to post-flight.
 
FlyChicaga said:
I haven't been CA long enough to have my name on the bathroom wall, but I'm sure it's coming... I'm very safety-oriented, and I know it pisses some FOs off that they can't use their iPod in flight and I ask them to use a flashlight to post-flight.
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What about required reading material like USA Today, Forbes, and Maxim?
 
FlyChicaga said:
I haven't been CA long enough to have my name on the bathroom wall, but I'm sure it's coming... I'm very safety-oriented, and I know it pisses some FOs off that they can't use their iPod in flight and I ask them to use a flashlight to post-flight.
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I still can't see the iPod thing in the cockpit either. Maybe I'm an old crotchety pilot, but I'm not so sure it belongs in a jet cockpit.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I still can't see the iPod thing in the cockpit either. Maybe I'm an old crotchety pilot, but I'm not so sure it belongs in a jet cockpit.
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Ya know, I think I've discovered I'm gonna be one of those anal CAs. If a CA skips the flight deck inspection check when we take a new airplane or the shutdown check (which a lot of them do), I tend to get a little irked.....

I think I'm turning into "Oh god, it's the FO that doesn't want to have any fun." Not entirely true since I love having fun on overnights, but I just take my job seriously. If they don't like it....tough.
 
"FOs off that they can't use their iPod in flight"

Are you kidding? I've NEVER seen an operating crewmember use an ipod at my airline. I think that's pretty unprofessional. If I flew with an F/O that wanted to use one, and it was in cruise, and he missed ONE call, that would be the end of it.

I heard a story about an F/O that pulled out his book as soon as the after takeoff check was done. This Capt let it ride a few times to see if it was a habit, which it was, and then asked him to wait until above 18K, at least. Sounds good to me.
 
I figure if you're going to "review materials" it's always the best bet to politely ask in during the brief or once reaching cruise flight.

I fly with some really interesting pilots from interesting backgrounds, heck, half the time I'm picking their brains about "dial-a-nukes", F-18's, U-2's, getting to blow up stuff in Iraq-1, etc.

I almost had a chance back in the day to fly with the pilot who shot the Libyan MiG down, man, I had a laundry list of questions for that guy! He's still around though.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I still can't see the iPod thing in the cockpit either. Maybe I'm an old crotchety pilot, but I'm not so sure it belongs in a jet cockpit.
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I'm not sure it does either - although having flown with one of those connections where radio transmissions cut out the music in a non-121 environment I can a) see the attraction and b) I'm not sure it's an operational hazard.

Now the lashed up ipods through the jumpseat mic - those don't really belong.....
 
Robert "Hoot" Gibson is a Captain over at Southwest. Man would that be fun, flying with a Topgun F-14 pilot and 5 time Shuttle Astronaut. He was born in my hometown, and I got a chance when I was in high school to talk to him, he really is a very interesting guy.

EDIT: I just found out he retired from Southwest, reaching his 60th birthday.
 
stuckingfk said:
What about required reading material like USA Today, Forbes, and Maxim?
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I'm not fond of that stuff up front either. I will say that I understand that it is difficult to stay attentive sometimes, so doing something safe to get the brain working isn't out of the question. If it starts interfering with the operation, and/or the pilot starts losing track of where we are, then I'm going to say something about it. The newspaper thing irks me, since people will open it up and cover their entire view of the instruments and windscreen. Definitely not cool. If someone can stay attentive and at the same time do something to keep from boredom and sleepiness setting in, then OK.
 
People can listen to music in the background and drive a car, but they cannot read and drive.
People can read the newspaper and fly a plane, or listen to the football game over the ADF and eat food, but they cannot listen to music on an ipod.

I'm not for it, but I just think its just perception that makes us think this way. If a freight dawg can play PSP and fly a plane single pilot with only a wing leveler, they I'm pretty sure two guys can run the radios in cruise at FL350 with a little background music.
 
Hootie9750 said:
I'm not for it, but I just think its just perception that makes us think this way. If a freight dawg can play PSP and fly a plane single pilot with only a wing leveler, they I'm pretty sure two guys can run the radios in cruise at FL350 with a little background music.
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I'd have to agree with this statement. I don't think anyone is talking about rocking out and having a bash on the flightdeck w/ the bass pumping......but some background music shouldn't be a problem provided it doesn't distract from the systems monitoring.

Hell, most people I know....check airmen included....listen to the ADF (not the ident either). Not one of them has "missed a call" because of it; at least not that has been glaringly obvious.

While we're on this, what about nap-time on the flight deck? I've heard this is fairly common. How many people have flown w/ people that sleep during cruise? I'm curious how often it happens. I know studies have PROVEN it's actually safer to have small naps during cruise (low work-load) on long flights to ensure pilots are alert during descent/ landing (high work-load). Of course, I'm sure the FAA wouldn't see it that way should something go wrong. After all, it's the FAA's job to make sure it's the pilot's fault. :p
 
I've heard of this from a 744 capt and an a320 capt. Says nothing over 15 minutes. 15 min nap every 2 hours makes it usually feeling a lot better.
 
Aren't iPods listened to with small earpieces/headphones? Those arent' legal to be used in cars, because it distracts from hearing sounds of the road, like police sirens, etc. If the iPod were to be used over the speakers in the cockpit, now you've got the issue of two people, perhaps of different age generations, agreeing or not agreeing on type of music to be listened to!

I'm sorry, but I don't think it's asking too much to turn the iPod off for a few hours.
 
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