No deadheading in the jumpseat... at all?

JordanD

Here so I don’t get fined
I found myself in the really bad position yesterday where a flight cancellation from the previous night filled up all the flights I was supposed to take home the next day. There were a ton of seats when I listed, then a few hours later I double checked and saw everything was oversold but at that point there wasn't really much I could do since the last flight of the night had already left. To make it all the more interesting, I had to be at work in the afternoon. I made it on the first flight out, took my seat, and we deboard because of a groundstop due to weather at the destination. We go back in, wait around for an hour, and then the airline decides to cancel the (full) flight. There's still 2 other flights that would get me in on time, but they're obviously all full now. To top it off, the second we get into the terminal, all the computers have crashed. I'm listed but can't check in for the next flight home. The gate agent's doing everything by pen and paper because the computers are down, and she says she has one seat left, just go on and find it and take it. I get on the plane, walk up and down the aisle, and unfortunately, that empty seat doesn't exist. So I tell the FA that the gate agent must have miscounted. The FA points out that they can see if the deadheading pilot on board would mind riding in the jumpseat so I can get on, but a few seconds later she comes back and says he said no because if his union found out he'd get in trouble. So I'm off the flight and pretty much out of luck. Since I'm not a crew member, obviously the jumpseat isn't available to me and I'm pretty much SOL at this point. When all was said and done, I got on the last flight that's scheduled to get me in on time, but due to our routing I ended up being late to work. I'm not sure yet what's goign to come out of it, but a lot of what happened was beyond my control.
Is it really that big of a deal if a deadheading pilot takes the jumpseat to help another airline employee out? I'd been talking to the guy in the gate area beforehand and mentioned that I needed to get the work. Anyone care to explain this to me? I don't want to go get all fired up about something I know nothing about, but like I said, it would be nice if there were exceptions made to help another airline person get home/to work in these kinds of screwed up, out of the ordinary situations.
 
Probably depends on the contract and the airline's history of dealing with deadhead pilots.
 
If a person is positive space traveled by their company, they are NOT supposed to sit in the jumpseat. We start letting the company positive space us with the jumpseat, we'll find ourselves on transcon flights sitting up front.
 
The gate can ask us if we are willing to take a jumpseat to get an extra passenger on board but they can't make use. In some deep, dark past place the company (via scheduling I guess) can require us to take the jumpseat as a must ride, but I haven't seen that happen in the 6 years I've been here.

I'll normally do it if it will get a non rev on. The one gotcha you've got to be careful of is that there isn't another jumpseater trying to use the jumpseat already. I've been bumped a few times by guys from my own company trying to be a team player and get extra revenue on board and taking the jumpseat when they already had a positive space seat in the back.
 
The one gotcha you've got to be careful of is that there isn't another jumpseater trying to use the jumpseat already. I've been bumped a few times by guys from my own company trying to be a team player and get extra revenue on board and taking the jumpseat when they already had a positive space seat in the back.


This. When I was 121, I would only sit in the JS if I was the last to board, ensuring that no commuting pilot was attempting to get up front. I would also have the gate agent inform the CA operating the flight of my intentions to ensure he/she was in agreement with my philosophy.
 
As far as I know I was the last person to board. After I got off because there wasn't a seat the door closed and I didn't see anyone else go in.
 
I know if the agent wanted me to give up my business class seat to ride "jumpseat" when I deadheaded to AMS a few months ago, I would have probably passed out from laughing too hard.

Again, it all depends on what was going on.

Besides, I've usually got my afro-hipster passenger cabin camouflage on when I deadhead so unless you check the paperwork, no one knows I'm even an employee.
 
Our contract says we don't have to ride the jumpseat on a deadhead. I'll do it if it gets another nonrev on. The Jumpseat sucks, but not as much as not getting home/to work. If the company asked me to, I wouldn't. But I'll do it to help people out.
 
I'll do it to get a non-rev on, but that's about it, and only if they're friendly. However, these situations rarely occur. If a flight is down to the minimum seats available, and I'm positive space - it's likely oversold and a handful of revenue folks sitting up there about to get bumped off.

So, I'm going home or back to wherever the company wants me to go with this deadhead. And I'll enjoy my seat - however uncomfortable our 15 year old RJ seats are, they're far more comfortable than the JS for any extended period of time.

I'd caution setting a bad trend, but not that this isolated incident has started such.
 
I think it's all the approach too.

I was dead heading from SLC to SNA once and the agent said, "We're oversold, I put you on the jumpseat". Umm, 'fraid not honey bunny.

I have transferred to the jumpseat to get a commuter on when I knew they were there and it wasn't that long of a flight.
 
Unless of course you get stuck next to Mr. Biggy-Mc-Stinky-Breath.

Worse is the extra chatty "road warrior".

Or sitting in front of another commuter pilot that has the need to explain to everyone where he's flying, how long he's been flying, the good old days flying the KC-135, his kids, the soccer team, blah blah blah. :)
 
If it's to get a fellow pilot on, I'll gladly ride the FA jump or the cockpit jump...esp if it's a day where flights are cancelled/computers are taking control/general disarray.
 
I think this thread has derailed a bit. I am not really 100% on why a deadheader would need to take the JS to get another pilot onboard anyway. Wouldnt THAT pilot be able to just take the JS on their own? The OP isn't a pilot. The circumstances and situation definately matter in any case as to wether I would do that to allow a non-crewmember access to board in my seat.
 
I think Jordan's a ground ops guy. Unless, of course, I need to take my gingko biloba.
 
I think Jordan's a ground ops guy. Unless, of course, I need to take my gingko biloba.
Indeed I am. No jumpseats for me. I don't want to seem like I'm being overly critical of some union issues that I don't really know anything about, since that's not really my place. But I am kind of curious why, in a one in a billion day with flights canceling and an airport wide computer failure, it would be such a big deal for someone to take a jumpseat for an hour to get another airline employee home so he's not going to get in trouble for being late or missing work altogether. I'm not trying to blame the guy himself, I know he needs to cover his ass so he doesn't get in trouble, but would the union really make that big of a deal out of him helping someone out? Ground ops people don't exactly have commuter clauses to protect us in these kinds of cases.
 
I've given up my positive space seat once to ride the jump to get on a young family with a kid. They would have been split up on different flights otherwise. I guess it helped that the mom was a MILF and I was in a good mood :D
 
I've given up my positive space seat once to ride the jump to get on a young family with a kid. They would have been split up on different flights otherwise. I guess it helped that the mom was a MILF and I was in a good mood :D

Pics or it didn't happen! :-p
 
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