New Logbook software

I really like flightlogg.in. However I have two problems with it. The first being, that it's web based and hosted on a crappy server(as a result of it being free). I really like the web interface over a standalone software interface, but I hate downtime. The second, is it has no feature to print and put in a binder or some such thing like a real paper logbook.
Fix those problems AND(this is a big one) have it work natively with linux, and you'd have a customer. Browser based is obviously a really easy way to make it work on every platform. Java works cross platform, but I don't think I know a person in the world that likes anything in java.
 
z987k said:
I really like flightlogg.in. However I have two problems with it. The first being, that it's web based and hosted on a crappy server(as a result of it being free). I really like the web interface over a standalone software interface, but I hate downtime. The second, is it has no feature to print and put in a binder or some such thing like a real paper logbook.
Fix those problems AND(this is a big one) have it work natively with linux, and you'd have a customer. Browser based is obviously a really easy way to make it work on every platform. Java works cross platform, but I don't think I know a person in the world that likes anything in java.
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You can print off of flightlogg.in if you export it as a PDF and print that.
 
TXaviator said:
uhhhhh you guys, flightlogg.in does ALL that stuff- customizable fields, 8710, currency, etc etc etc

and its FREE.

im going to keep using the free choice.
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I'd prefer my logbook not be kept on a third-party server with a free service, particularly because I don't keep my paper logbook updated anymore. :)

LogTen Pro here. I used Logbook Pro when I had a PC, but either is good.

EDIT: Crap, I necroreplied the heck out of this. Curse you, elmetal!
 
I want to import Crewtrac and existing LBP into a program that is usable in a MAC and/or PC platform but IS compatible with an iphone (in the form of an app).

And I still want a pony.
 
My list:

Able to populate fields similar to excel. Ex: I have 100 flights in a CRJ200 to enter. I can open the software and prefill as many fields as I can so I don't have to type the aircraft type over and over and over. It would be nice to have the date broken into 3 fields, so that if I have 5 flights on 3/26/2012, I just drag down those figures to the next 4 rows as well and save myself some typing.

Come to think of it, having a button at the top of the field with "all same" would be really handy. Such as for year, aircraft type, etc. I can see that blanking out fields as well, so say CRJ entries, I don't accidentally put in single engine time. Also needs to be able to calculate some values based off of the aircraft type. So if I enter CRJ200, enter TT, it fills in ME, Turbine, etc.

Be able to easily sum up any field of data, just like a logbook would. Nothing irritates me more than entering everything in, someone asks "how much solo time do you have" and I can't find it as it's all tied up in PIC. Granted the logbook will have it, but it should also be in the electronic format.

A favorite feature, being able to add attachments to a log. I just used this when I lost my logbook. I added the copies of my 8710 and a few scanned pages of the old logbook I had to prove my times. Makes it very simple. I've also toyed with the idea of adding photos to certain flights that warrant merit. Could also be used to keep endorsements for both myself and students. Granted, it might be the nail in the coffin for someone that screws up, but you have to use it wisely. Nice feature to have.

I will add that support to import from a variety of sources is huge. Excel import is a must, and csv should be as well.

Otherwise, Thanks!
 
I had used zululog.com and last year purchased logbook pro. However my lazy ass still can't find motivation to fully transfer 2500hrs worth of flying. And if I did I'm sure the errors would drive me insane!

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higney85 said:
I want to import Crewtrac and existing LBP into a program that is usable in a MAC and/or PC platform but IS compatible with an iphone (in the form of an app).

And I still want a pony.
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LBP will do that, but they started charging a fee for the scheduler importer, which is BS in my opinion. As for the pony.......I think we're all still waiting on a lot of things. :)
 
As a software engineer myself let me know if you need any help!
I would love to have templates that work for FAA, JAA, CAA etc.. the ability to make your own templates.
Cross platform capability. PC, Mac, linux, ipad, iphone, google etc
Importing capability, perhaps even customizing the imports
Good design when it comes to default the fields
implement tags so that you can enter anything you feel is important
 
I don't know if you noticed but everyone is talking formats and programs and converting this to that etc. etc. I HATE that about the current set of offerings.

Make a logbook suite that has native apps for Android and iOS, a user friendly browser based version, and the ability to seamlessly sync across each with data being stored in the "cloud" as well as locally if so desired. The website version NEEDS to be a desktop replacement. The reason I want the website version so badly is because I'm a Linux user. Macs are too expensive and I'm pretty sure I'll have a stroke from Windows 8.

Logbook Pro is slowly moving toward that but I still have to buy their software and subscribe if I remember correctly. They also don't have a website version. I just want to pay a subscription say maybe $50/year or so and get access to all of the apps and the website version. Also, the subscription model is important. Just make it one flat fee and I get ALL of the features. Don't nickel and dime me for the schedule importer or anything like that.

As a previous poster mentioned it would be cool to open source the project. Each person could host the web version themselves if they wished or they could pay for a company that does the hosting/backup/syncing for them.
 
bronco21016 said:
I don't know if you noticed but everyone is talking formats and programs and converting this to that etc. etc. I HATE that about the current set of offerings.

Make a logbook suite that has native apps for Android and iOS, a user friendly browser based version, and the ability to seamlessly sync across each with data being stored in the "cloud" as well as locally if so desired. The website version NEEDS to be a desktop replacement. The reason I want the website version so badly is because I'm a Linux user. Macs are too expensive and I'm pretty sure I'll have a stroke from Windows 8.

Logbook Pro is slowly moving toward that but I still have to buy their software and subscribe if I remember correctly. They also don't have a website version. I just want to pay a subscription say maybe $50/year or so and get access to all of the apps and the website version. Also, the subscription model is important. Just make it one flat fee and I get ALL of the features. Don't nickel and dime me for the schedule importer or anything like that.

As a previous poster mentioned it would be cool to open source the project. Each person could host the web version themselves if they wished or they could pay for a company that does the hosting/backup/syncing for them.
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Flightlogg.in is open source. I think he hosts the source on sourceforge or whatever. I just don't have the time or knowledge to really do anything with it. It's in some crazy ass language I've rarely seen.
 
z987k said:
I really like the web interface over a standalone software interface, but I hate downtime.
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z987k said:
Flightlogg.in is open source. I think he hosts the source on sourceforge or whatever. I just don't have the time or knowledge to really do anything with it. It's in some crazy ass language I've rarely seen.
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I saw the link to the source. It's written using the Django framework which is Python based. I didn't read the license but maybe it would work to use his source and host it with a good hosting service like Amazon and charge a subscription fee.

It still has a long way to go though. It needs native apps for storing/logging flight time while on mobile because relying on a data connection during that phase of flight logging is a terrible idea.

I've tinkered with Ruby on Rails and have always wanted to fulfill my ideas of the perfect digital logbook but I just can't seem to get over the learning curve to make an app that does more than clone something like Twitter. I also have no clue how to develop native apps for iOS or Android.
 
Personally I think SafeLog rocks: easy entry, tracks all the magic fields by aircraft type automagically, currency, 8710, logbook printing in different formats... PC version and web version work almost identically and sync, easy backup. Only thing I dont like is that they charge extra for the mobile version so I dont have the standalone copy running on my tablet...otherwise, it's tough to beat.
 
rframe said:
Personally I think SafeLog rocks: easy entry, tracks all the magic fields by aircraft type automagically, currency, 8710, logbook printing in different formats... PC version and web version work almost identically and sync, easy backup. Only thing I dont like is that they charge extra for the mobile version so I dont have the standalone copy running on my tablet...otherwise, it's tough to beat.
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Am I reading that right? $139.00 for the software bundle but you only get 3 years to access it?
 
CirrusMonkey said:
Am I reading that right? $139.00 for the software bundle but you only get 3 years to access it?
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From their FAQ:

The Safelog core systems (Safelog for PC, Safelog for Mac, and SafelogWeb) are available on a subscription basis. This means that you get an account (typically an initial 3 years). During the period of your subscription, you are welcome to FREE upgrades of the product that you have a subscription to. We upgrade the systems typically over 20 times per year to add new features and to keep up with changing technology and changing aviation regulations. Additionally, upgrades give you access to the latest aircraft, airport, and fleet information contained in the system. You can extend your subscription at any time for a modest price (see next question).
At first, you might find the idea of a subscription a bit off-putting, but the reality is this: our prices for subscriptions work out to about $1-$3 per month, depending on the exact versions you get. This is one of the greatest bargains in aviation considering the power and flexibility of what you get. Compare this to our competitors, who fall into three flavors:
  • The first type is those who claim to have a one time-only price but then fade away as there is no incentive for them to improve the system. Since we first made Safelog in 1999, dozens of would-be competitors have come and gone in this way, leaving their users stranded! By the way, if you are a user of one of those failed or failing products, please see the question about our free transition service below.
  • The second type is the sort that pretends to have a generous license, but in effect has a mandatory �upgrade� every few years. Basically, what they do is at arbitrary times declare that a new version has been reached, and that if you don't pay, you can't upgrae, which means that your system will be buggy and out of date and also they won't support. Our two main competitors do this, and as a result those unfortunate enough to have been seduced by their marketing have ended up paying over twice as much per year on average as our users do. When you have a Safelog subscription, you can get access to the latest and greatest versions at no additional cost as soon as they are available.
  • Third, some competitors tout some initial low price, but then charge outrageous fees for necessary add-ons. For example, one of our competitors touts their free iPhone app version, but only later do you realize that they charge a yearly �synchronization� or "cloud" fee of over $70! By comparison, our iPhone/iPad apps are a modest one time lifetime purchase with free synchronization to your core versions. Another competitors charges $30+ for an add-on which allows to you see your flights on a map, while we have included this free for years.
No matter how you slice it, once you see the smoke and mirrors that our competitors use, Safelog works out the best value of any logbook product, period!
 
rframe said:
From their FAQ:

The Safelog core systems (Safelog for PC, Safelog for Mac, and SafelogWeb) are available on a subscription basis. This means that you get an account (typically an initial 3 years). During the period of your subscription, you are welcome to FREE upgrades of the product that you have a subscription to. We upgrade the systems typically over 20 times per year to add new features and to keep up with changing technology and changing aviation regulations. Additionally, upgrades give you access to the latest aircraft, airport, and fleet information contained in the system. You can extend your subscription at any time for a modest price (see next question).
At first, you might find the idea of a subscription a bit off-putting, but the reality is this: our prices for subscriptions work out to about $1-$3 per month, depending on the exact versions you get. This is one of the greatest bargains in aviation considering the power and flexibility of what you get. Compare this to our competitors, who fall into three flavors:
  • The first type is those who claim to have a one time-only price but then fade away as there is no incentive for them to improve the system. Since we first made Safelog in 1999, dozens of would-be competitors have come and gone in this way, leaving their users stranded! By the way, if you are a user of one of those failed or failing products, please see the question about our free transition service below.
  • The second type is the sort that pretends to have a generous license, but in effect has a mandatory �upgrade� every few years. Basically, what they do is at arbitrary times declare that a new version has been reached, and that if you don't pay, you can't upgrae, which means that your system will be buggy and out of date and also they won't support. Our two main competitors do this, and as a result those unfortunate enough to have been seduced by their marketing have ended up paying over twice as much per year on average as our users do. When you have a Safelog subscription, you can get access to the latest and greatest versions at no additional cost as soon as they are available.
  • Third, some competitors tout some initial low price, but then charge outrageous fees for necessary add-ons. For example, one of our competitors touts their free iPhone app version, but only later do you realize that they charge a yearly �synchronization� or "cloud" fee of over $70! By comparison, our iPhone/iPad apps are a modest one time lifetime purchase with free synchronization to your core versions. Another competitors charges $30+ for an add-on which allows to you see your flights on a map, while we have included this free for years.
No matter how you slice it, once you see the smoke and mirrors that our competitors use, Safelog works out the best value of any logbook product, period!
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Thanks for the reply. I ran the math and came up with the same conclusion, then read this FAQ part. Makes sense to me.
 
bronco21016 said:
I don't know if you noticed but everyone is talking formats and programs and converting this to that etc. etc. I HATE that about the current set of offerings.

Make a logbook suite that has native apps for Android and iOS, a user friendly browser based version, and the ability to seamlessly sync across each with data being stored in the "cloud" as well as locally if so desired. The website version NEEDS to be a desktop replacement. The reason I want the website version so badly is because I'm a Linux user. Macs are too expensive and I'm pretty sure I'll have a stroke from Windows 8.
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Have you looked at MyFlightbook.com? I've been using it for a while and it has the things I bolded in your post. At least it's been user friendly for me and while I'm pretty sure downloadable and data-connected Excel spreadsheet flat file and not quite a duplicate of every field in the full relational dataset, it's pretty useful as a backup just in case.


It also has the ability to print a "pretty" logbook.
 
I'll have to look into it more in depth. Right now I'm using LogTen Pro on my iPad and iPhone. I just really wish I had access to the desktop version.
 
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