New Eagle TA

H46Bubba said:
This is the new post Ch.11 Mesa!;) They cleaned up their act, but will quickly go back down that road again if they get too big for their britches!
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Are they really significantly better? When I rode them, they needed some help, BAD!
 
Derg said:
Are they really significantly better? When I rode them, they needed some help, BAD!
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Yeah they are better operationally and cabin upkeep wise. UA wouldn't have given them a 175 contract if they hadn't. UA is very very anal retentive when it comes to Express flying. Delta was way more lax on Freedom than UA was on Mesa. JO never wanted to spend the money to keep up with MEL's especially cabin interior write ups.
 
H46Bubba said:
Yeah they are better operationally and cabin upkeep wise. UA wouldn't have given them a 175 contract if they hadn't. UA is very very anal retentive when it comes to Express flying. Delta was way more lax on Freedom than UA was on Mesa. JO never wanted to spend the money to keep up with MEL's especially cabin interior write ups.
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Good.

Still have bad memories of being told to ride the jumpseat on a half-full, but oversold airplane, because I was in uniform… on a full fare ticket.
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
DFW COMM


Fellow DFW pilots,

We have some interesting news from Herndon. The company has once again put us into a situation where we are voting on a new and improved version of the AIP. Mine and Kelly’s opinion was that the AIP was dead and we didn’t have anything to vote on.

Another note was the reoccurring theme from the new AAG management was that the MEC did not represent the Eagle pilots. They kept asking how 5 pilots could make a decision of this magnitude for the rest of Eagle pilots. Interestingly, our management appeared to have no qualms about a few managers making the decision to drag the Eagle pilots into this self-manufactured crisis.

There were six of us who abstained from the vote. We have told the company numerous times that we do not want to entertain any agreement that contains concessions. They have not gotten the message and continue to force the issue of concessions at a time when we believe the state of the industry is obviously shifting in our favor.

Kelly and I have grown weary of AAG management and a few vocal eagle pilots repeatedly stating that we had “robbed” or “stolen” the vote of the Eagle pilots; that the Eagle pilots did not get to have their say. While we were in Herndon, there was another attempt by management to make minor improvements to the AIP in conjunction with another time threat. In that light, the six of us decided that we did not want to vote on something that was already dead. We also decided to finally put an end to management’s claim that we were not allowing the pilots to speak. It was agreed among the majority of the members of the MEC that unless we finally lay this question to rest, this drama would continue to resurface until the AIP was finally polished to the shine where 51% of Eagle pilots would vote for it. What we have heard from you in addition to your trust and instruction was “when will this finally be over?”

We are keenly aware that the majority of DFW pilots asked that we not bring this to the pilots for a vote. We are deeply aware of the obligation that rests with the trust you have in us to represent your interests. We believe we have accomplished that to the best of our ability. Now we are handing that vote back to you. We know some of you will not be sanguine with this. We humbly ask that you consider our words and reasoning.

AIP is coming to the pilot group for a vote. You will be asked to make a decision on whether this grab for money just prior to a time when Kelly and I believe the industry is changing dramatically in our favor is acceptable for the next 10 years. We both remain available to your questions and comments

The vote was 3 votes yes (ORD and AETC), 0 votes no and 6 abstained (DFW, JFK and MIA)

Stay Strong, Stay Engaged,

Together,




www.alpa.org
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Wow. This is more entertaining and dysfunctional than a "reality" TV show.
 
H46Bubba said:
Yeah they are better operationally and cabin upkeep wise. UA wouldn't have given them a 175 contract if they hadn't. UA is very very anal retentive when it comes to Express flying. Delta was way more lax on Freedom than UA was on Mesa. JO never wanted to spend the money to keep up with MEL's especially cabin interior write ups.
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UA is anal retentive for the inflight experience? Or you are you talking ground ops, they waste a lot of time and annoy a lot of passengers with how poor their ground ops runs at times.
 
Derg said:
Dear American: Mesa isn't going to turn out well for you. Love, "A guy who was on a full fare ticket when they flew contract for a large Southeastern-based major airline that they dropped for performance and quality problems".
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I remember then. We had 1500 pilots and during that year and our attrition was 700 pilots.

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BobDDuck said:
That's not how it works, in a legal sense. The MEC (entire leadership) must authorize the NC (or anybody for that matter) to negotiate with the company. If they don't have a mandate to do so, they can't, or if they do, whatever they come up with isn't a legal agreement. Remember, once recognized by the NMB a union is the SOLE BARGAINING AGENT of the pilot group. Dig deeper and you'll see that there can be no bargaining without authorization from the MEC.

So, they may very well have met (illegally which should trigger the immediate recall of all the reps and committee members who played any part in it) but it's not a legal meeting per ALPA policy.
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^^Yeah, this!
 
bLizZuE said:
Old AIP plus slow reduction of FO pay scale instead of immediate 4 year cap.

First 30 pilots hired every month will be Eagle pilots.

Other modifications, details later today.

Already passed the MEC 3-0-6. Pilot vote to follow.
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Interesting. 2:34 on the day of the meeting you start thus thread when we were all still in the room. Almost as if someone in the room was communicating details of what was going on in real time......I wonder.....
 
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JohnGardner said:
Interesting. 2:34 on the day of the meeting you start thus thread when we were all still in the room. Almost as if someone in the room was communicating details of what was going on in real time......I wonder.....
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Transparency can be your friend. That is if you are not afraid of being accountable to those you represent.
 
surreal1221 said:
Transparency can be your friend. That is if you are not afraid of being accountable to those you represent.
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I couldn't agree more. You don't want to talk accountability with the crowd who ran things previous to us, tho. If there was simple transparency and accountability as an issue here, then the source of who was reporting to Jared wouldn't have a problem being outed. I really don't care, as they are irrelevant now.
 
Guys, this isn't worth getting that worked up over. It will pass or it won't. AAG will put the planes wherever they want either way. Eagle's going to be gone either way with attrition the way it is.

It's only your career at stake. There are more important things to stress over.
 
JohnGardner said:
I couldn't agree more. You don't want to talk accountability with the crowd who ran things previous to us, tho. If there was simple transparency and accountability as an issue here, then the source of who was reporting to Jared wouldn't have a problem being outed. I really don't care, as they are irrelevant now.
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I can't wait for you and the current leadership to eat these words.

Also- why are you trying to prevent the MEC Vice Chairman from sending out communications? Does that sound transparent to you?

(PS- what's 2/3 of 9?)
 
bLizZuE said:
I can't wait for you and the current leadership to eat these words.

Also- why are you trying to prevent the MEC Vice Chairman from sending out communications? Does that sound transparent to you?

(PS- what's 2/3 of 9?)
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Why would you be so excited for the "current leadership to eat these words"?
 
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