New AA Contract Approved

charlie1017

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http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/american-airlines-pilots-approve-new-contract-66-34.html/

American Airlines pilots have approved a new five-year contract that gives them 24 percent pay raises this year and small pay raises in future years.
The Allied Pilots Association said 65.68 percent voted in favor of the deal, with 34.32 percent against. Of those eligible, 94 percent cast votes. Only the Miami pilot base had a majority voting against the deal.
Ameican thanked the pilots, while the union said the airline needs to address “shortcomings” in the new contract.
“Today’s results provide immediate and significant pay increases to our pilots, and represent another step forward in our integration,” AA president Scott Kirby said in a statement. “We are especially pleased that American is in a position to support pay increases that recognize the contributions of our pilots this early in our integration.”
Kirby also thanked APA president Keith Wilson, other national officers, the APA board and the union and company negotiating teams.
Wilson thanked the pilots for their participating, noting the high voter turnout.
“By voting in favor of the JCBA, our pilots will benefit from higher pay rates. In effect, the pilots of American Airlines made a business decision,” Wilson said in a statement.
“APA will now focus on further engagement with American Airlines management to address ongoing shortcomings in our contract. Our total compensation will still trail industry-leader Delta, while work rules affecting our pilots’ quality of life need meaningful improvement. There’s a lot of work remaining to achieve the industry-leading contract our pilots deserve,” Wilson said.
“True culture change will require a contract commensurate with our status as the pilots who fly for the world’s largest carrier,” he said.
The decision avoids a scenario in which the Allied Pilots Association contract combining US Airways and American Airlines pilots under a single agreement would have gone to binding arbitration.
In a regulatory filing Jan. 12, American said the pilot contract would increase its cost by $650 million in 2015, and it would incur another $50 million in December 2014 costs because the pay raises would be retroactive to Dec. 2.
The new contract combined three contracts into a single collective bargaining agreement for pilots of American and US Airways, which merged in December 2013.
American pilots were operating under a contract forced on them in late 2012 in American’s bankruptcy proceedings. US Airways pilots were operating under two contracts – one for the pilots of America West, which merged in September 2005 with US Airways, and one for the pre-AW merger US Airways.
Friday’s win for American follows December’s approval of a new contract combining flight attendants at the two carriers.
In that case, Association of Professional Flight Attendants members voted down a joint collective bargaining agreement that would have increased the value of their contracts by $193 million.
The dispute went to binding arbitration, which established a contract worth $112 million. But APFA president Laura Glading appealed to American executives to consider giving flight attendants the extra $81 million, notwithstanding the vote.
American management agreed to the same contract the flight attendants had rejected after the APFA board voted unanimously to sign off on the deal.
 
I'm not familiar with their new contract, so what else did they agree to other then a pay increase?
 
For any L-US guys, not much changed except getting a decent raise. Not much to complain about, but people, will.

In fact, go back and look what US used to pay before the merger. IIRC I was looking at 8 years to even get back to the same hourly rate I was making before at my commuter, flying an Airbus.

Yet you'll still get the majority bitching.
 
Does the daily rate of 5:10 improve anything? For example I flew a 15 hour 3 day the other day that was 2 hours on day one, 7 hours day 2 and 6 hours day 3. Would the new min duty period make that trip now worth 18:10 or does the 1:3.5 supersede that?
 
Does the daily rate of 5:10 improve anything? For example I flew a 15 hour 3 day the other day that was 2 hours on day one, 7 hours day 2 and 6 hours day 3. Would the new min duty period make that trip now worth 18:10 or does the 1:3.5 supersede that?
No I don't think so. It'd be 15:30 under the new rules. It's an average duty period credit, not a min duty period.
 
No scope gives. But the "new american" trails Dal/ual by a long shot! And now we have zero leverage to negotiate with the company; we just gave them everything they wanted for a raise 11 months before we would have gotten one anyways (without giving up anything).

Oh well. Every one has their own price.
 
For any L-US guys, not much changed except getting a decent raise. Not much to complain about, but people, will.

In fact, go back and look what US used to pay before the merger. IIRC I was looking at 8 years to even get back to the same hourly rate I was making before at my commuter, flying an Airbus.

Yet you'll still get the majority bitching.
When you say L-US guys what do you mean? I was hired post merger announcement, so I guess technically I was hired at the new American. 99 hires and before had their last pre bankruptcy contract state that they were paid a certain percentage above the highest paying airline with some of the best rigs and work rules.

I expect better and am ashamed of how the vote came out, but obviously will and can live with it.

I expected a industry average contract, even though delta and united will leapfrog it in a year or two. What we got was not even industry standard.

I'm looking out for my career and the long term, so I voted no.
 
No scope gives. But the "new american" trails Dal/ual by a long shot! And now we have zero leverage to negotiate with the company; we just gave them everything they wanted for a raise 11 months before we would have gotten one anyways (without giving up anything).

Oh well. Every one has their own price.

Nah. 66% voted yes. That means management gave you guys 15% too much, in their eyes anyways. For the APA guys, was this better, same, or worse then what they agreed to with Parker during bankruptcy with Horton at the helm (and they were all screaming "anyone but Horton")? I've never been too fond of the APA...
 
I'm looking out for my career and the long term, so I voted no.

That could be the problem too. Isn't the combined list the most senior pilot group in the universe? Bunch of folks getting real close to retirement wanted their quick raise and that's all they cared about.
 
That could be the problem too. Isn't the combined list the most senior pilot group in the universe? Bunch of folks getting real close to retirement wanted their quick raise and that's all they cared about.
Oh I've had frank discussions with that type. As I talked to @amorris311 earlier when it passed, it's important to respect the guys opinions who are close to retirement, but realize when you vote for yourself vote knowing you have 30 years left.
 
When you say L-US guys what do you mean? I was hired post merger announcement, so I guess technically I was hired at the new American. 99 hires and before had their last pre bankruptcy contract state that they were paid a certain percentage above the highest paying airline with some of the best rigs and work rules.

I expect better and am ashamed of how the vote came out, but obviously will and can live with it.

I expected a industry average contract, even though delta and united will leapfrog it in a year or two. What we got was not even industry standard.

I'm looking out for my career and the long term, so I voted no.
I honestly can't believe you compared the pre-9/11 ALPA contract with the one in place from circa 2005-2014 when they signed on the dotted line. Anyone hired before Dec 2014 on the US side was working under arguably the worst pay rates of any big boy carrier in the US. Hell, RJ CA's at most carriers were making more than the topped out Group II guys flying Airbii around.

The combined pilot group has really taken it in the shorts and personally I'm incredibly happy this is behind us. We wouldn't have gotten anywhere near what we did in arbitration. The company asks were not even in place on the US side. Hopefully this will pick up spirits. There are a bunch of guys that went from making $85/hr as topped out FOs to what, $250/hr as noob CAs in the span of a year. The guys who were CAs back then have seen their pay almost DOUBLE.

Yet folks are still livid at the company. I just don't get it.
 
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I honestly can't believe you compared the pre-9/11 ALPA contract with the one in place from circa 2005-2014 when they signed on the dotted line. Anyone hired before Dec 2014 on the US side was working under arguably the worst pay rates of any big boy carrier in the US. Hell, RJ CA's at most carriers were making more than the topped out Group II guys flying Airbii around.
Just showing thay it always hasn't been like that for these guys.

I was hired before December 2014 and in no way or shape was this contract good enough for me, so I voted no. I was also hired expecting MOU rates, not the loa93 rates. People can debate the plan going forward for no and yes votes, both of which are largely unknown. I hope that they can make improvements along the way until 2020 gets here, but I don't know what else there is to give up in order to get improvements with this management team.

I voted no because I don't think the price they paid for concessions was enough. I'm not one of the emotional vote no guys, just thinking long term for my career.
 
Our hands were tied because of the arbitration clause. It was take contract with the money now kr take the contract you might get more or you might get less later.
 
Our hands were tied because of the arbitration clause. It was take contract with the money now kr take the contract you might get more or you might get less later.

I've seen things go down at a place that is becoming Airways 2.0 for the regional world, and one where we had an arbitration clause.

I'll take the arbitration clause all day long. Working under a 10 year old contract gets old quickly. I don't like everything that was arbitrated, but it's not as bad as being forced to work under provisions of an archaic contract.
 
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