Never Again 9-11...6 years ago

SeatClutcher said:
I agree with most of it. Just not the end. I don't agree it would have been a good idea to leave a gaping graveyard in the middle of the city.

That would seem a little morbid.
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Yeah, but maybe a park, or some quiet place where you could reflect. I'm not fond of the idea of building on the site - I think the Vietnam Memorial Wall is the most beautiful memorial we have, and look how simple it is.
 
I don't agree with the ending either. Rebuilding shows our resolve. I have seen the plans for the new site and it seems like they did not just take the most popular idea and run with it; they tried to encompass what everyone wanted to do with the site:

Build a bigger, better building right in place of the old one (A terrible act was created, but it did not stop us!)

Build a glorious memorial to those fallen.

Keep parts of the ruins intact so it is never forgotten.

These were the three main ideas for the site, and like people here already, it divided us. What better way to satisfy everyone than incorporate all facets?

I watched an interesting special on Hiroshima/Nagasaki on HBO the other day. To look at those towns today, noone would ever know nuclear weapons were dropped there that killed millions. When asked, school children did not even know what happened in there own town 62 years ago.

A big gaping hole would not really be fitting IMHO. The new construction will be a living memory and proof of our defiance all in one; it will help keep this memory with us longer. The writer should wait until construction is at least complete before passing judgement, but to each their own.
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
I don't agree with the ending either. Rebuilding shows our resolve. I have seen the plans for the new site and it seems like they did not just take the most popular idea and run with it; they tried to encompass what everyone wanted to do with the site:

Build a bigger, better building right in place of the old one (A terrible act was created, but it did not stop us!)

Build a glorious memorial to those fallen.

Keep parts of the ruins intact so it is never forgotten.

These were the three main ideas for the site, and like people here already, it divided us. What better way to satisfy everyone than incorporate all facets?

I watched an interesting special on Hiroshima/Nagasaki on HBO the other day. To look at those towns today, noone would ever know nuclear weapons were dropped there that killed millions. When asked, school children did not even know what happened in there own town 62 years ago.

A big gaping hole would not really be fitting IMHO. The new construction will be a living memory and proof of our defiance all in one; it will help keep this memory with us longer. The writer should wait until construction is at least complete before passing judgement, but to each their own.
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Not to belittle what you're saying....because I do agree with it. I too, like many here, will never forget the terrorist attacks on 9/11.

However, your information on the bombs we dropped in Hiroshima/Nagasaki, Japan is incorrect. It wasn't millions who died on Aug. 6/9, 1945......not even close. Still many, many people died, and that is unfortunate! I am, by no means, trying to understate the magnitude of our actions to end WWII. However, by best estimates, the death toll from the atomic bombs is no more than 500,000 lives (including the people who died as a result of lingering radiation, etc...). The actual number of people who died from the explosions is much closer to 220,000 (~150K Hiroshima / ~70K Nagasaki).
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
I don't agree with the ending either. Rebuilding shows our resolve. I have seen the plans for the new site and it seems like they did not just take the most popular idea and run with it; they tried to encompass what everyone wanted to do with the site:

Build a bigger, better building right in place of the old one (A terrible act was created, but it did not stop us!)

Build a glorious memorial to those fallen.

Keep parts of the ruins intact so it is never forgotten.

These were the three main ideas for the site, and like people here already, it divided us. What better way to satisfy everyone than incorporate all facets?

I watched an interesting special on Hiroshima/Nagasaki on HBO the other day. To look at those towns today, noone would ever know nuclear weapons were dropped there that killed millions. When asked, school children did not even know what happened in there own town 62 years ago.

A big gaping hole would not really be fitting IMHO. The new construction will be a living memory and proof of our defiance all in one; it will help keep this memory with us longer. The writer should wait until construction is at least complete before passing judgement, but to each their own.
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It just seems contradictory to me - everyone keeps saying "Never Forget!" but at the same time, they want to build over the site so kids 50 years from now won't notice anything out of the ordinary (as in your story).

And wouldn't any "Freedom Tower" or whatever it's called naturally become the biggest terrorist target in the world by default?

There was a great scene in Rescue Me during the first season where the guys were standing, looking at the skyline and one of them says "I hope they leave it just the way it is". I guess I'm kinda in that camp - but it really isn't up to me, it should be up to the families. If they're happy with the design, then I guess that's all that matters.
 
That's another thing that steams me -- there's a big hole in the middle of New York six years after the attacks.

We had the Pentagon rebuilt in a year. There's absolutely no excuse for not having SOMETHING built on the site of the WTC.
 
Murdoughnut said:
It just seems contradictory to me - everyone keeps saying "Never Forget!" but at the same time, they want to build over the site so kids 50 years from now won't notice anything out of the ordinary (as in your story).

And wouldn't any "Freedom Tower" or whatever it's called naturally become the biggest terrorist target in the world by default?

There was a great scene in Rescue Me during the first season where the guys were standing, looking at the skyline and one of them says "I hope they leave it just the way it is". I guess I'm kinda in that camp - but it really isn't up to me, it should be up to the families. If they're happy with the design, then I guess that's all that matters.
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I dont think that those who are calling for something to be rebuilt are saying we should forget what happened. I think they're saying that we need to move on. We've been sitting around for 6 years with our heads down sulking...its time to nut up, relax, and get life back to normal. But we can do that without forgetting.
 
tonyw said:
That's another thing that steams me -- there's a big hole in the middle of New York six years after the attacks.

We had the Pentagon rebuilt in a year. There's absolutely no excuse for not having SOMETHING built on the site of the WTC.
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:yeahthat: Its sad indeed. Even Somerset, PA has a little something to remember the loss of 93. I dont understand it either.
9/11 to me is a day to remember the loss and a day to be reminded we all must stay vigilant.
 
No sir not saying it is OK to just build over it. I am personally in the camp of "rebuild even bigger in defiance".

However, that is not all that is happening. They are building an awesome memorial park for reflection. The original footprints of the towers will become reflecting pools, and alot of the rubble and rooms will remain intact.

http://www.projectrebirth.org/rebuild/architecture/theMemorial.html

I guess my thought is, in NYC, an amazing US metropolis, that prime real estate WILL sooner or later get redeveloped, much like I mentioned has happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To me, why let it sit as an empty hole long enough to be forgotten and made into an office building? Why not claim it now? However, these are just my opinions.
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
No sir not saying it is OK to just build over it. I am personally in the camp of "rebuild even bigger in defiance".

However, that is not all that is happening. They are building an awesome memorial park for reflection. The original footprints of the towers will become reflecting pools, and alot of the rubble and rooms will remain intact.

http://www.projectrebirth.org/rebuild/architecture/theMemorial.html

I guess my thought is, in NYC, an amazing US metropolis, that prime real estate WILL sooner or later get redeveloped, much like I mentioned has happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. To me, why let it sit as an empty hole long enough to be forgotten and made into an office building? Why not claim it now? However, these are just my opinions.
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I understand your point - I guess it's just a matter of preference. It doesn't bother me that there's just a hole there. I'm not the type to believe that we need a big elaborate memorial to everything. I think a park cut into the middle of the city would be pretty awesome - some place quiet amidst a sea of noise and movement. I'm sure developers were coming up with ideas for the land on Sept. 12th, though.

I think the Arizona memorial at Pearl Harbor is a great example of something small, simple, yet very moving.
 
tonyw said:
That's another thing that steams me -- there's a big hole in the middle of New York six years after the attacks.

We had the Pentagon rebuilt in a year. There's absolutely no excuse for not having SOMETHING built on the site of the WTC.
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you think that's bad? come to new orleans some time
 
bwade210 said:
Democrats and liberals in this country need to wake up and remember that this day did indeed happen, and they are doing our country a great disservice by trying to handcuff our military from doing their job!
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Ah, the ignorance continues.

So what do you tell those military members who are democrats then there genius?
 
(MSNBC is replaying the Today Show from six years ago in real time so we can all see everyone get killed again)

WRONG my friend - MSNBC is replaying the Today Show from that day because it's an important day in our country's history. I was glued to the TV this morning for the duration - not to see people killed, but to relive that day and through which, continue to understand its impact on our country and our lives.
 
WestIndian425 said:
Sounds like you were either at Polytechnic University or NYC Technical College.
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Nah across the Hudson on the Jersey side.

I guess I'm kinda in that camp - but it really isn't up to me, it should be up to the families. If they're happy with the design, then I guess that's all that matters.
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And their in lies the problem why they haven't built anything. Because there are different groups of families who have their respective ideas on what should happen at the site. Some want nothing there, some want a new building with a memorial, others want to rebuild the towers as they were and I am sure there are a few other combinations.

I was there last week and they were pouring concrete for the first new building.
 
Today, I woke up, got a cup of coffee, then went to Target to buy a CD that came out today. After that, I went to my bank, played some hockey, and took a nap. Now I plan on grabbing some dinner, going to play touch football with friends, and relaxing in front of the TV.

So what's my point? I'll never forget 9/11... in fact I think about it more often than one day a year. Even so, I am moving on with my life as an American. To the day I die, I won't forget the people who died (especially my fellow pilots and those brave FDNY/NYPD who ran into the burning buildings), but I'm going to press on with a free life. It's a slap in the face to the terrorists that way.

Tonight I'll sleep in a comfortable bed. Osama Bid Laden will be sleeping in a cave. I win.
 
FlyChicaga said:
Today, I woke up, got a cup of coffee, then went to Target to buy a CD that came out today. After that, I went to my bank, played some hockey, and took a nap. Now I plan on grabbing some dinner, going to play touch football with friends, and relaxing in front of the TV.

So what's my point? I'll never forget 9/11... in fact I think about it more often than one day a year. Even so, I am moving on with my life as an American. To the day I die, I won't forget the people who died (especially my fellow pilots and those brave FDNY/NYPD who ran into the burning buildings), but I'm going to press on with a free life. It's a slap in the face to the terrorists that way.

Tonight I'll sleep in a comfortable bed. Osama Bid Laden will be sleeping in a cave. I win.
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Thank you Matt, that is just perfect! What you wrote exactly describes how I feel too.
 
FlyChicaga said:
Tonight I'll sleep in a comfortable bed. Osama Bid Laden will be sleeping in a cave. I win.
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I think it's a lot more likely Bin Laden is shacked up in some village he paid off in Pakistan or somewhere looking forward to Ms. Clinton stepping into office...

But regardless, I've spent my non-flying hours today remembering those who lost their lives in the attacks, those that had to move on, and those that have been fighting and dying ever since to make sure it never happens again.

God bless all the victims and their families, and my eternal gratitude to the servicemen still sacrificing.
 
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