Network planning input

A1TAPE said:
Lets say Network Planning wanted input from dispatch about the routes being flown. Which citypairs or even select airports would you tell planning to Drop/Add and why?
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I don't know that we'd have any useful input on the city pairs, aside from the risks of diversions and delays, which are presumably already being accounted for if your network planning team are any good. The timing of the flight might be something they miss, though - for example, going into a frequently-fogged airport late at night is one I've seen where dispatch did have useful input.
 
DaWolf85 said:
I don't know that we'd have any useful input on the city pairs, aside from the risks of diversions and delays, which are presumably already being accounted for if your network planning team are any good. The timing of the flight might be something they miss, though - for example, going into a frequently-fogged airport late at night is one I've seen where dispatch did have useful input.
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I would say DROP ASE. Its honestly a useless airport in winter and IFR in general. Might as well call it a VFR only airport. Cant even be flown into at night. Bowl canyon so one way in and out. And with an alternate its more of a pick one, fuel, bags, or people. Another way to put it do you wanna get all the pax there or no pax there.
 
A1TAPE said:
I would say DROP ASE. Its honestly a useless airport in winter and IFR in general. Might as well call it a VFR only airport. Cant even be flown into at night. Bowl canyon so one way in and out. And with an alternate its more of a pick one, fuel, bags, or people. Another way to put it do you wanna get all the pax there or no pax there.
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This is exactly what I mean when I say we don't have useful input on city pairs.
 
My big problem is I wish they would stop using the better preforming airplanes on flights that don’t need it. Why do they put the only AC type that can go to EGE in SGF?
 
I’m in no way qualified to give inputs on what routes to fly as that’s for the bean counters to determine what’s profitable. What I can tell them is that scheduling turns with only 15-20 minutes of wiggle room on crew time or within 10 minutes of customs closing is not a great idea
 
Bananabusdx said:
My big problem is I wish they would stop using the better preforming airplanes on flights that don’t need it. Why do they put the only AC type that can go to EGE in SGF?
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Worse is when they take an underperforming plane and stretch it to max range. Think CLT - MEM/STL on a regional jet. Unless its a Ejet no way you are getting everyone onboard unless its a VFR day.
 
A1TAPE said:
I would say DROP ASE. Its honestly a useless airport in winter and IFR in general. Might as well call it a VFR only airport. Cant even be flown into at night. Bowl canyon so one way in and out. And with an alternate its more of a pick one, fuel, bags, or people. Another way to put it do you wanna get all the pax there or no pax there.
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Anywhere - ASE are some of the most profitable routes in CONUS airspace, really any of the Ski Country destinations are money printers for regionals / mainlines.
 
Bustedcropdusta said:
Anywhere - ASE are some of the most profitable routes in CONUS airspace, really any of the Ski Country destinations are money printers for regionals / mainlines.
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Not to mention that most mainline aircraft are banned so the number of seats is truly limited, especially with the number of part 91 flights that take up slots into there. The airlines can pretty much charge whatever they want because they know people will pay it.
 
A1TAPE said:
Worse is when they take an underperforming plane and stretch it to max range. Think CLT - MEM/STL on a regional jet. Unless its a Ejet no way you are getting everyone onboard unless its a VFR day.
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CRJ-900 can handle that in its sleep.
 
Just work the flights that are on your desk to the best of your ability. If needed, ask for assistance. If and when that doesn’t work out and you are still bumping significant payload on a normal day, inform your higher ups of the issue and get back to work. All that other stuff is above your pay grade.
 
DispatcherSam said:
Just work the flights that are on your desk to the best of your ability. If needed, ask for assistance. If and when that doesn’t work out and you are still bumping significant payload on a normal day, inform your higher ups of the issue and get back to work. All that other stuff is above your pay grade.
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That’s how i handle it. Just annoying that planning tries to stretch max range out of the jets. Yes that’s their job but don’t think the airlines would get any forced routing changes unless mainline got sick of shelling out money for pax being constantly bumped and the bean counters saying network HAS to upgauge the route as all the constant pax bump compensation turned the route into a profit looser. Accounting would tell network either upgauge to another partner or a mainline jet.
 
A1TAPE said:
That’s how i handle it. Just annoying that planning tries to stretch max range out of the jets. Yes that’s their job but don’t think the airlines would get any forced routing changes unless mainline got sick of shelling out money for pax being constantly bumped and the bean counters saying network HAS to upgauge the route as all the constant pax bump compensation turned the route into a profit looser. Accounting would tell network either upgauge to another partner or a mainline jet.
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If it wasn't profitable and worth the risk, they wouldn't do it.
 
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