NetJets CEO Abruptly Resigns

I had a Netjets pilot commuting on my flight last week.

He was a 9 year FO on the Citation X, really liked his job and was optimistic about the contract. He explained that they will need a pretty good contract so they can attract those that are going to the majors.

I'll just keep updating my resume, maybe one day.
 
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Being an NJA noob, could you elaborate on how AJ and BN coming back are positive things?

Adam Johnson left the company a few months ago, after being here since the 90s during the Santulli era. From talking with those that know him (I've never met him), everyone said he is one who 'gets' it; he understands what our business really is. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the sales guys who have quit over the last few years return, bringing some much needed growth with them.

Whether or not he is empowered to make changes, or is just continuing with the same '4 pillars' garbage, I think we will know the answer in the next month or so.

I'm not sure about Bill Noe, as the only opinion I've heard of him comes from the old NJI crews who he took care of.

Time will tell....and the clock is ticking.
 
I'm cautiously optimistic. I think overall it is going to be much better than going up against Hansell's walmart cost strategy. Looks good on paper, but like our fearless leader Leroux said, "If you put Yugo parts in a Rolls Royce, you're gonna have issues." Truer words have never been spoken.
 
Best of luck to you Net Jets guys. I am hoping you wind up with an industry leading contract.

Not for nothing, but they already have an industry leading contract. I'm hoping they don't have to give anything up, but expecting more that they have may be a bit unrealistic.
 
Not for nothing, but they already have an industry leading contract. I'm hoping they don't have to give anything up, but expecting more that they have may be a bit unrealistic.

In some ways their contract is industry leading. NetJets uses my current gig a lot to cover their excess work. My first year pay is 9 year pay on similar size equipment. They fly up to 40 hrs a week compared to my 30 hrs a month. My daily per diem is nearly double their daily per diem for domestic and international. Their Healthcare and retirement package (of course there is also the amount of scheduled hard days off they have) real difference maker. And those are the two things I believe NetJets want the pilots to concede on.

NetJets partner company EJM also pays higher initial rates, has Healthcare 100% payed by the company, has retirement funding, and also has profit sharing!

NetJets is the industry leader in corporate aviation. My hopes us that their pilot group continues to raise the bar.
 
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In some ways their contract is industry leading. NetJets uses my current gig a lot to cover their excess work. My first year pay is 9 year pay on similar size equipment. They fly up to 40 hrs a week compared to my 30 hrs a month. My daily per diem is nearly double their daily per diem for domestic and international. Their Healthcare and retirement package (of course there is also the amount of scheduled hard days off they have) real difference maker. And those are the two things I believe NetJets want the pilots to concede on.

NetJets partner company EJM also pays higher initial rates, has Healthcare 100% payed by the company, has retirement funding, and also has profit sharing!

NetJets is the industry leader in corporate aviation. My hopes us that their pilot group continues to raise the bar.

The problem, though, is that they're way behind the eight ball when it comes to professional, career aviation jobs. NetJets is not a "stepping stone," and so when it comes to Joe Average Pilot looking for an I'm-gonna-retire-from-this-place job, he's going to compare it to Delta, United, and American. Right now, they're about competitive with (maybe a bit better than) your average regional airline.

At any of the Big 3, Joe A. Pilot can expect to make $110-$120k in his second year, while working half the month and not being gone from home for more than about 4 nights at a time. By year 10, he'll either be a senior FO making $180+ flying to Europe every other week, or be a captain making $200k+. He'll get a large company contribution to his retirement, and he and his family can fly for free anywhere in the world in first class. On the downside, he has to pay for his own benefits, is arguably flying older equipment for an older, larger, more stagnant company, can't get hotel points, and flies to a lot the same places (read: the job gets boring).

At NetJets, Joe Pilot will be making $65-70k in year two and only about $130-$140k by year 10. If things don't move, he'll be stuck at about $85k. He'll only get a 50% match to his 401k. Depending on his schedule, he could be forced to spend an entire week away from home, and he'll be working harder while away. However, depending on what he's looking for, those deficiencies could be more than made up for by the company paid benefits, never having to commute, and being able to actually offer direct customer service. He'll be flying nicer planes to nicer destinations (more varied, at least), and get to keep the airline and hotel points for himself. He also has the choice to keep flying past age 65, if he wants to.

This is the situation I find myself in. I want to go to NetJets, as I truly enjoy corporate aviation. I love the variety of flying, I love the planes, and I love being able to provide personalized customer service. I'd be happier with my job if I went there. But frankly, with their current contract, there's no way in heck I'd stick with them if Delta called. It just doesn't make any economic or personal sense. Unless they start competing with the Big 3, they're going to run out of pilot candidates. If management doesn't realize that in 5-10 years, they're going to go out of business because they can't find pilots for their planes, all because they didn't become career competitive NOW, then they're not as smart of businessmen as I think Berkshire Hathaway deserves. I hope for their sake, the recent changes in management fix that problem.

I wish their pilots all the best. Don't raise the bar, match the bar to those you actually compete against.
 
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Maybe someone can explain to me why a NJ pilot should get paid the same or similar for a flight that brings in $30k in revenue compared to a Delta pilot who for a flight of similar stage length brings in double that revenue? I just don't get the argument that this comparison is reasonable, and I definitely don't think the NMB will give it the time of day.
 
Maybe someone can explain to me why a NJ pilot should get paid the same or similar for a flight that brings in $30k in revenue compared to a Delta pilot who for a flight of similar stage length brings in double that revenue? I just don't get the argument that this comparison is reasonable, and I definitely don't think the NMB will give it the time of day.
So what are Part 91 pilots supposed to make?
 
So what are Part 91 pilots supposed to make?

It depends on what sort of revenue they bring the company. A pilot for a Fortune 100 company doesn't directly bring revenue from the seats in the back, but the efficiency that he affords the executives who sit back there generates revenue, and it's up to the corporation to determine what that's worth to them.
 
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Maybe someone can explain to me why a NJ pilot should get paid the same or similar for a flight that brings in $30k in revenue compared to a Delta pilot who for a flight of similar stage length brings in double that revenue? I just don't get the argument that this comparison is reasonable, and I definitely don't think the NMB will give it the time of day.

The NJ pilot does quite a bit more than a 121 pilot during a normal flight. They not only do their flying duties. They also load the bags, greet, verify ID's of, brief, serve drinks to, and etc...to the passengers.
They are the baggage guy, gate agent, and FA.
 
I forgot to mention cleaning and stocking the aircraft. When stock is low, the NJ pilot has to go out a purchase more. If a passenger request a special I item, the company may ask the pilot to go find and provide it.
 
Maybe someone can explain to me why a NJ pilot should get paid the same or similar for a flight that brings in $30k in revenue compared to a Delta pilot who for a flight of similar stage length brings in double that revenue? I just don't get the argument that this comparison is reasonable, and I definitely don't think the NMB will give it the time of day.

There are any number of ways to show why, but since you seem to be a numbers guy and it's the way corporate America works: net worth. One plane carrying 6 people worth $5m > a plane with 210 people worth $100k each. When it comes right down to it, that's the way 121 pay rates are set up. The more the passengers are worth (the more seats), the more the pay. Or to put it another way, the more "responsibility" (as a function of net worth) a pilot takes on to fly a plane, the more the pay. Also, in the eyes of a company, it's a geometric scale: 1 CEO worth $10m > 10 middle managers worth $1m.
 
You have a misunderstanding of how 121 pilot compensation is argued. Net worth of the individuals in the back is meaningless. All that matters is the revenue that the airline is generating from them (and the profitability of the carrier to a certain extent). And 210 people paying an average of $250 per ticket is a lot more revenue than one rich guy paying for the same flight on NJ, no matter how many billions the rich guy may be worth.
 
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