Nervous, Nervous, Nervous

kellwolf said:
Careful with this thinking. Look up how long ASA's contract has been up. At PCL, our contract was ammendable 2 years ago, and we're just starting to get CLOSE to a new deal. I have no doubts the Mesa pilots will fight for a better contract, and fight HARD. I wouldn't expect that contract to materialize quickly, though. Management is gonna fight just as hard to NOT give up those things.
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Sorry, I wasnt trying to infer that it would be an overnight deal, I was figuring 1 or 2 years. My main point was that its up and things could only get better(hopefully) and what was crap one day may turn into something great the next. I think they are realizing by turnover rate that things are not ok. The shear cost of training new pilots over retaining ones that have been trained is completly cost ineffective. Hell even at wal-mart they try and hang on to you for atleast 1 year, even the cost of traing a new hire there is $5000. And thats to stock shelves. Time=money and if they can curb the outflow they would save a ton of money, even with concessions to pilots....

Just think, if the QOL at Mesa goes up, maybe itll make the other RJ's look up and take note......heres to hoping!!!:nana2:
 
I just want to wish you "good luck"! Were all counting on you!


I just want to wish you "good luck"! Were all counting on you!


I just want to wish you "good luck"! Were all counting on you!


I just want to wish you "good luck"! Were all counting on you!

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I think it was something in the $20-30 range for a new hire FO here at PCL. The breeze from the revolving door hasn't caused management here to step up the pay much at all. The last numbers I heard from management was a NO raise for year one, and a $4 raise for year two, which would still have it less than average. Both PCL and Mesa try to play the "but you upgrade so fast, what do you care what you make years two and three" cards. Personally, I can't upgrade if I starve to death during years 1-2.5. The union has tried the "raise the pay scale to cut down on the cost of training" arguement numerous times. Here, at least, it's fallen on deaf ears. Maybe Mesa will listen, though. It's not the pilots at Mesa I have a lack of faith in, it's the craftiness management has shown in screwing over the pilots I'm afraid of.
 
Jeez la weeez if this is the airline he wants to fly for then why is EVERYONE giving him heck for it?


Just wish the man good luck!


GOOD LUCK!
 
IWExcelsiorE said:
Jeez la weeez if this is the airline he wants to fly for then why is EVERYONE giving him heck for it?


Just wish the man good luck!


GOOD LUCK!
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Don't think that anyone is giving him heck for it. There are just some people who have first hand experience with Mesa, and want him to know what to expect and to go in (should he still choose) with eyes wide open, and not closed!
 
One thing you guys have to realize is that I've know Bog for almost 20 years and he's about as raw and painfully honest as they come. Not the online personna "Bog" but the actual person.

Believe you me, I know! Geez, I could tell some stories, but HOO, we'll have to save those for another time.

You may have friends that say that it's wine, roses and gouda cheese, but they're not online offering their perspective today in this conversation.

Of course take anything you read on the intarweb with a grain of salt, but gather all available information and decide for yourself. Don't just pick and choose information consistent with your unrequited love with a particular airline or your absolute disdain.

The truth is someplace in the middle. Seek it.
 
You wouldn't be in this position if you weren't ready for it. Congratulations, and good luck!
 
CFIse said:
And yet you can never find those people. I run into people all the time who tell me "look out, there's lots of junior assignment going on". So I ask them when they were last junior assigned, "oh me, it's been a couple of months for me, but I heard that it's going on". You never find anybody who is actually being junior assigned on a routine basis, or being awarded line of flying and just making guarantee - you just hear about them.

I just don't believe you - you made minimum 65% of the time - I never make minimum, and I rarely pick up open time. Are you sure we're talking about the same Mesa??
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You really are hilarious. You've been at MAG less than two years, but you know it all? If your life in IAD is all sunshine and roses, then CONGRATS! You're one of the chosen few, and Johnny loves you! Hell, he probably sees how much sunshine you post all over the internet, and makes sure you have a good schedule.

You do not live in the reality known as MAG. I'd keep posting on here, but you'll continue to tell me that I'm full of dog poop, and that I never even worked at MAG. To quote the old Anthrax song: "Talking to you is like clapping with one hand." It cannot be done. Have a nice day. I suppose the LEAD crew tracker who tried to get me to fly revenue past 16 hours by saying "Legal to start, legal to finish, right?!" was just a dream, too.

For the rest of you, as I've mentioned before, it's my responsibility to share my experiences with any of you thinking of working at MAG, just the same as all the other regional pilots share their experiences. We cannot and will not make the decision for you, but we all want you to be fully informed about your future. That's why we're here. That's why we give our time.
 
It gets better. I just did my taxes. In 2005, at a lower payrate, I made over $2000 MORE than I did in 2006. Let's also add in that two bid periods in 2005 were on reserve.

It should be the other way around. Plain and simple, that shows how much money you can lose when you don't have cancellation pay.
 
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