Need to rent a plane in Phoenix

rockman2343@aol.com

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Hello,
I'm a CFI out in Mesa, looking to rent or borrow a plane,in the Phoenix area, in order to get my 135 minimums. I specifically need 50 hours of night and about 20 of instrument. I have about 1600 hours of flight time, 20 multi. I'm in the Air National Guard to so I'm not going to take it to Mexico or something, lol. Anyhow any help would be appreciated, thanx.
Mike
 
I am about to join a flying club that is based at DVT and CHD. In CHD, they have an IFR-GPS Archer that rents for $78/hr wet tach (around 1980 model). They have another archer (same price) up at DVT, and a really nice new 182 and Piper Comanche (rotated between DVT and CHD).

Typically you get about 1.0 hours for every 0.8 of tach time, so the equivalent rate is $62.40 an hour wet. Most of my flight time was with a club that charged tach time, and I found it closer to 0.9 for cross countries, but have gotten it to as low as 0.5 for touch and go's. So If you just want to do some night touch and go's, you can get the rate as low as $40 an hour! If you are just time building, keep the power back. Instead of cruising at 2500rpm, cruise at the bottom of the green arc. And do lots of touch and go's and approaches.

The two things about this club are:
1. They charge $125/month membership fee. Lets say you flew your 50 hours in 2 months, that is basically an extra $5/hr onto the price. Nothing major.

2. They require a $4,000 refundable deposit. That is essentially your share price. If you have it, pay it, and you'll get it back when you leave. If you don't have it, there are still two things you can do. First, you can tell the club your plan, and draw against that balance with your flying (and get the balance back when you leave). They may or may not like that, but it is an option. Other thing is just take a short term loan and pay it back in 2 months. Even at something like 8 or 9%, it won't cost you more than $100 in interest over that time frame (or $2/hr at 50 hours of flight time).

You can probably get your 50 hours of time at this club for $2,500 to $3,500 depending on how you fly the aircraft.


If that doesn't work out for you, the only other good place I know of that rents an airplane for cheap is at Scottsdale. Southwest Flight Center. They have a 152 for $84/hr wet hobbs. I am not sure if it is IFR though. Also, Westwind up in DVT has 2 older 172's for $99/hr wet hobbs. Flight instruction (for your checkout) is about $60/hr at these places, as opposed to around $30/hr in that club. Ask about block rates.

For some reason, Phoenix seems to be the most expensive place for renting airplanes (even though it is by far the cheapest area I have ever lived in). I hope this helps. If you find any really good "secret" flying clubs, please let me know!
 
Also, Westwind up in DVT has 2 older 172's for $99/hr wet hobbs. Flight instruction (for your checkout) is about $60/hr at these places, as opposed to around $30/hr in that club. Ask about block rates.

Westwind is a great place to rent if you go the FBO route.

For some reason, Phoenix seems to be the most expensive place for renting airplanes (even though it is by far the cheapest area I have ever lived in). I hope this helps. If you find any really good "secret" flying clubs, please let me know!

Not even close. Move to Seattle and everything is expensive except electricity. :mad: Back in 1999 a 152 was $99!
 
Not even close. Move to Seattle and everything is expensive except electricity. :mad:

I did most of my flying in the SF Bay Area (one of, if not the most expensive places to live in the country), and I paid rates that were significantly cheaper than anything I have seen out here in Phoenix. Flight instruction is the worst out here ($60/hr). Of course, the instructors only get $20-25 of that. In the Bay Area, flight instruction was the typical $35-40/hr, but they would receive most, or all of that money (many instructors were independent contractors).

Also, when I was looking at taking a job with Boeing in Seattle, I found an amazing flying club.
http://www.befa.org/files/fuel_surcharge_monthly_update.pdf
I understand that some places were expensive, but every city has their jewel flying club. I sort of found one in Phoenix (its good if you fly a lot), but otherwise, Phoenix is the worst area for cheap flying!
 
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That is a hell of a good setup and good rates. I would be all over that like white on rice.

There is a similar-type-club here in Austin where the monthly fee is around $75.00 and the buy-in is $9,000. The major difference here is that the nine grand gets you an equity position in the aircraft, so if they sell at a profit or whatever, you reap those benefits. If you leave the club, you sell your membership to someone...for $9,000.
 
Not sure if your willing to travel, but you can buy a block of 50 hours in a c152 at Dutch Wings in Houston for $2650/wet, haven't seen anything cheaper so far. I'm planning on doing some time building down there.
 
Westwind is a great place to rent if you go the FBO route.



Not even close. Move to Seattle and everything is expensive except electricity. :mad: Back in 1999 a 152 was $99!

When I was doing primary, a 152 was $35/hr wet, long ago.
 
Also, when I was looking at taking a job with Boeing in Seattle, I found an amazing flying club.
http://www.befa.org/files/fuel_surcharge_monthly_update.pdf
I understand that some places were expensive, but every city has their jewel flying club. I sort of found one in Phoenix (its good if you fly a lot), but otherwise, Phoenix is the worst area for cheap flying!

I used to teach at BEFA. By the time it was through with each month I would pay the same amount as I did everywhere else. The better part of the club was that they had more unique aircraft and very few rules which made it a lot more fun then having to go through red tape to even do a cross country.
 
Something to keep in mind....................

Scottsdale Airport will be closing for 6 to 8 weeks at some point this year for runway work! This may affect where you go.
 
Do you still have any kind of discount at a flight school? At the first flight school I worked at I got a 25% discount off rental rates, at $60/hr wet for a 152 turned into a very reasonable $40/hr.
 
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