Need Guidance in Planning Career Transition, Training

JasonB

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Let me apologize in advance for both the length of my post as well as its presumably repetitive nature. Like hundreds of wide-eyed pilots-to-be who came before me, I have questions regarding how I should pursue a life-long dream of becoming a professional pilot.

Essential Data
- I'm 29 years old, married, with a 4 year old son and 3 year old daughter
- I'm a software consultant making close to a six-figure salary. Not only am I ready to walk away from it, I CAN'T WAIT TO.
- I have $2100 per month wrapped up in mortage and car payments.
- I have $100,000 in liquid assets available for funding
- I can't look myself in the mirror.
- I have 1/3 of a college degree
- I seriously can't look myself in the mirror.

Goals
- Become a corporate pilot or work for a NetJets-type company
- It's too early to determine whether I want to pursue a career with a major airline, but I certainly do not want to shut the door on it. Once my children are older, it's highly likely that this will be the next "dream".

Now you have the critical details constraining- and contributing to my situation. Like everyone else and their mother, "I've always wanted to be a pilot". As tired as the statement is, it couldn't be more true... and losing 8 years of my life working toward something other than my dream has severely impacted my ability to be a good father, a good husband, and to be happy.

That said, I am ready - right here and now - to take the first steps toward becoming a pilot. In fact, I've already taken first steps. What I'm unsure of, however, is whether or not the path I'm headed toward is the best path given my circumstances. First of all, it's absolutely critical TO ME that I get my degree. This is not just because it opens career doors more easily, but because it's something I started over 10 years ago and quit (burnout).

I've contacted my college (Ohio State University) and had my student status reactivated (quite easy to do, surprisingly). At this point in time, I intend to pursue a B.S. in Aircraft Systems, which is essentially a flight training program with some very interesting coursework. I'll need to scale back my work (25 - 30 hours/wk) to accommodate classes and flight training. I'm hoping I can secure enough work so I don't need to dip into my savings, but it's there as a safety net if I need it. I'd prefer to leave it in tact for when I get my commercial license and accept a full time piloting job for 32 cents an hour. I'll need it to "weather the storm" while I accumulate the necessary experience to realize my goals and ultimately get my transport license.

With all that being said (sorry), here's the $25,000 question: should I continue down the path I'm on and pursue my training through college work (essentially killing two birds with one stone), OR do everything I can to accelerate my flight training as quickly as possible and pursue a degree on the side (or afterwards). I want to be a pilot YESTERDAY, but I need to make the best long-term decision. One concern I have is that when I graduate, I'll only have about 300 - 350 TT, and it's very difficult to say how much of that will be multi. The program includes ground school, PPL, IR, CPL, and some multi... but what do I do with 350 hours? I'm estimating that it will take 2 - 2.5 years to complete the program from where I'm at now. In Ohio, I have weather to contend with, and December and January are probably shot right from the start. So I lose two months of flying time a year no matter what I do.

Should I be less focused on the degree in the short term, and emphasize flight training as much as humanly (and financially) possible? One thing I've considered doing is augmenting my college flight training with additional training at another local airport (Delaware, Ohio) so I can accummulate more hours faster, but I'm not sure if either program will take issue with that approach. I can only schedule 2 hours per day, 5 days per week at Ohio State. Theoretically, I could also train at Delaware on the weekends 4 hours/day (or more).

Another option is to leave school out of the picture entirely, and eat/live/breathe the Delaware program until I'm finished, then take that training to Ohio State for college credit. I would be able to get a job as an instructor and I could put myself through school while I accumulate hours.

There are so many options that I've pretty much lost any ability to analyze the situation, so any help any of you have to offer is more than appreciated. Feel free to get creative. The only restrictions are that I have to be able to work 25 hours per week for the majority of the year, and I can't leave home for more than a month or two in any given year.

I'd be lying if I didn't say that THIS PROGRAM has crossed my mind as a great way to spend the summer...
 
You come with some good questions.

Actually, before I give my .02 cents, I have a question for you...

Will OSU give you credits for ALL your flight ratings? I know most colleges will give you credit for just the PPL, but that's about it. I have heard on some special occassions they may give more.

If that's the case, I may consider getting your ratings as fast as possible and transfering them over to OSU. Work there has a CFI and continue to take classes to finish the Bachelor's degree.

I may not be the first one to tell you to GET YOUR DEGREE FIRST! You will have a hard time getting a job anywhere other than a regional, including fractional operators such as NetJets.

However, to counter that statement, I know of some regional guys that take online classes on the side and finish that way. It's do-able but seems like a lot more work.

Working as a CFI and finishing the degree at OSU I think will be the most productive way of doing things. You'll be gaining flight hours and taking classes (possibly at a reduced rate for university employees) all at the same time.

Good luck in whatever path you take!
 
Will OSU give you credits for ALL your flight ratings?

Unfortunately, no. You get credit for your PPL, but other than that, you must take the flight training through them.

And I'm totally on board with regard to the importance of a degree. It's also a personal goal of mine that is very close to the heart.
 
And here's a potentially silly question...

Do employers care at all if your training was 61 or 141? If I end up going the 61 route the entire way, will it close doors on career opportunities?
 
No not at all....

In the end, all they want to see are FAA certifcates. Whether it is 61 or 141, doesn't matter.

In terms of your original question....

I think going to OSU to get your ratings and finish college at the same time would be your best bet. You'll get some top notch training, albeit on older equipment, the experience will be well worth it. On top of that, going to a large aviation university program like OSU will allow you to network which you will soon discover is the only way to make it in this industry. Also, your flight blocks and classes will work around each other the best in this situation in terms of scheduling your work.
 
Hi,

In regards to the responses to getting a degree. Why? The guy is making 6 figures now, which assumes a few years of business experience (and good exp at that, 6 figures!)... isn't this the equivelant of a degree?

I'm about the same age (31) in a similar field of work, no college, making 6 figures, and also contemplating a career change as I can't stand sitting in front of a computer anymore (would rather be sitting in front of a yoke). Most places that ask for a degree use my work experience as the equivelant. The airline job postings I've seen seem to be worded similar in that regard.

Just curious is all, if you have years of real business experience why waste money on a degree when most places will use your exp.? or are the airlines THAT strict about having that piece of paper that says you can memorize answers for a test?

Sorry if I come off as strong on the subject, not meaning to offend. Real world exp should always trump what's read in a book.
 
Hi,

In regards to the responses to getting a degree. Why? The guy is making 6 figures now, which assumes a few years of business experience (and good exp at that, 6 figures!)... isn't this the equivelant of a degree?

I'm about the same age (31) in a similar field of work, no college, making 6 figures, and also contemplating a career change as I can't stand sitting in front of a computer anymore (would rather be sitting in front of a yoke). Most places that ask for a degree use my work experience as the equivelant. The airline job postings I've seen seem to be worded similar in that regard.

Just curious is all, if you have years of real business experience why waste money on a degree when most places will use your exp.? or are the airlines THAT strict about having that piece of paper that says you can memorize answers for a test?

Sorry if I come off as strong on the subject, not meaning to offend. Real world exp should always trump what's read in a book.

That's the way the airline business is man. If you ever want to move to a major carrier you need at least a four year degree. No "ifs" "ands" or "buts"

I understand your argument about work experience, however most airlines won't see it as such. The degree deal is just something you have to deal with if you ever want to make some sort of career progression in this industry.
 
That's the way the airline business is man. If you ever want to move to a major carrier you need at least a four year degree. No "ifs" "ands" or "buts"

I understand your argument about work experience, however most airlines won't see it as such. The degree deal is just something you have to deal with if you ever want to make some sort of career progression in this industry.

Well that sucks heh. Guess I will add that to my list of goals in addition to the ratings. Now to work that into full time job and 24/7 single parent... :eek: *sigh oh well nobody said it would be easy heh
 
It seems like you are doing lots of research before fully diving into it heh? That's good! I did the same:) . My situation about the college is prety much like yours. I went to school for 5 semesters and had to quit for $$ reasons...back then I had 2 choices...quit school to work and have money to eat or going to school hungry. This not drama it was for real.

Anyway now 7 years later I'm doing okay currently finishing up my IFR rating and working the mon-fri job but no degree. I thought I'd be better off getting all the ratings and working on my degree once I'm already CFI'ing that way I will be already building up hours. Even after getting hired by a Regional you can still work on your degree...there are tons of online degrees nowadays. Schools like USVC will accept all your ratings as credit doesn't matter where you got'em (61 or 141) and they also have full bachelors degree online.

My plan:
Get all the ratings, this will count for as much as 26 or 28 credits, general credits (you have, I have) will help too. Then I plan on attending a local college with an aviation department to do as many credit as possible that will be transfarable to the USVC program. USVC is in UT since I'm not UT resident that was the best/cheapest way for me to get a good online 4 years degree...I will be spending 8k and not 20k if I were to do the entire course with them.
 
Hello,

I am/was in the same boat you are. I am 27 years old and recently resigned as a police officer after 9 years to pursue my dream of being a pilot. I had the same questions and talked with some professional pilots. This was their suggestion and the course that I chose.

I also live in Ohio so I know the weather can really put a damper on things. I am enrolled at Ohio State University but I am majoring in Aviation Management and completing all my flight training on the side. This was strongly suggested to me by several professional pilots one of which flies for Express Jets. The reason behind this is 1) You need a college degree if you ever want to fly for the majors (not required but obviously preferred), 2) If at some point in your life you don't pass your medical, you have a degree in something other than being a pilot to fall back on. 3) You can get your ratings and build time quicker than going through the college. 4) You can save a lot of money by doing it on the side.

I don't know where you are located, but I am flying out of Galion Airport for $65 hr for aircraft and $30 hr for instruction. I fly a C-150. The cost of this aircraft is about $20 cheaper then the University charges. I also found a flight school in Michigan that charges $1295.00 for your ME rating + $250 for your check ride. This is about $5000 cheaper than the University. My email is meyer336@hotmail.com if you need any further info.
 
Best of success. Many of us are in similar shoes, as am I. But no pair of shoes are the same. I would go through OSU to get your degree and ratings, then be a CFI afterward if you need to be (all depends on what the airlines and/or charter/fractional world looks like in a couple years and no one can predict that). To be competitive though, you will need to have the BS Degree along with flight time. Being sure you attain both in the shortest time possible would be ideal given that you are ready to make your move. You can search out my TexasFlyer name since I posted a lot in the Career Changer Forum over the last couple years that you'll find helpful possibly. It's all about my progress toward the same goal, a goal we both share. See you in the sky.
 
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