Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I've screwed up my callsign for another. But I've never accepted a takeoff clearance for a runway I wasn't on.
Near miss at Midway
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I've screwed up my callsign for another. But I've never accepted a takeoff clearance for a runway I wasn't on.
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
I think the most important questions is, did any of them take more than four years to finish college?
Same thing happened to me recently, 53151 and something like 51351.
The flight school I used to teach at had a 6317G and a 6319G and ATC themselves would occasionally get those two mixed up if they were both in the pattern.
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
ASAP Reports already in........
CA version
"Busy work load, we were lined up and waiting our turn for takeoff. The FO had just told me all the negatives of our new Delta TA and I kept thinking to myself, holy cow, we actually have to vote for this garbage? The new TA was very distracting away from our duties. Tower cleared who we thought was us, and we accepted and started the takeoff roll. As it turned out, the clearance was for the Southwest aircraft."
FO version
"Busy busy outta MDW, we finally got lined up and waiting. The whole trip the CA had dollar signs in his eyes for the new TA but it took me several hours of conversation to finally show him the light that this TA would actually cost him in the long run and how it was bad for all of us. Our CRM was at an all-time high once he and I were on the same page in regards to the Delta TA. Unfortunately, we were distracted due to the new TA. When tower gave a takeoff clearance, we thought it was meant for us and we took it and went. Later we discovered it was actually for Southwest, not us.
CA version
"Busy work load, we were lined up and waiting our turn for takeoff. The FO had just told me all the negatives of our new Delta TA and I kept thinking to myself, holy cow, we actually have to vote for this garbage? The new TA was very distracting away from our duties. Tower cleared who we thought was us, and we accepted and started the takeoff roll. As it turned out, the clearance was for the Southwest aircraft."
FO version
"Busy busy outta MDW, we finally got lined up and waiting. The whole trip the CA had dollar signs in his eyes for the new TA but it took me several hours of conversation to finally show him the light that this TA would actually cost him in the long run and how it was bad for all of us. Our CRM was at an all-time high once he and I were on the same page in regards to the Delta TA. Unfortunately, we were distracted due to the new TA. When tower gave a takeoff clearance, we thought it was meant for us and we took it and went. Later we discovered it was actually for Southwest, not us.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Just because he was asking doesn't mean they were.
X-Forces
Big Black Guy
Their normal taxiout heats up the brakes as much as a high speed abort.
I don't think SouthWest utilizes the brakes during their taxi outs.
nabbyfan
Well-Known Member
It's interesting because MDW Ground did comply with the similar sounding callsigns requirement of the 7110, so both crews should have been very aware that there was the potential for this kind of mishap.
But props to the local controller for stopping this disaster before it reached the point of no return.
Its weird because from the tapes it sounds like they were both stepping on each other every time they were called...wonder if/how nobody noticed especially after being advised of the similar callsign on Freq.
But props to the local controller for stopping this disaster before it reached the point of no return.
Its weird because from the tapes it sounds like they were both stepping on each other every time they were called...wonder if/how nobody noticed especially after being advised of the similar callsign on Freq.
fholbert
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Yea... okay. If we listened long enough I'm sure he asked everyone if they had hot brakes.
RetiredATLATC
Well-Known Member
Yesterday on 127.9 inbound to ATL I had 1569, 1659 1699 and one other I can't remember right now. This happens daily on many occasions. I don't get, with all the possible number combinations available, why this happens. It's dangerous
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
I haven't heard the tapes, to be fair. And neither have I, on that! Runway assignment is always read back, even at one-runway fields.I've screwed up my callsign for another. But I've never accepted a takeoff clearance for a runway I wasn't on.
(Tier three?
)Edit. Just listened this morning. Eep. SLOW DOWN.
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
This confusion is the only part of this situation that makes sense. If this was a simple confusion between these calls signs, I, too, would had posted a "like".
However, the "DELTA" vs. "SOUTHWEST" and the "Runway FOUR RIGHT" vs. "Runway THREE ONE CENTER" is where I have to throw the flag.....
Question: Is "STOP, STOP, STOP" an ATC call that is supposed to halt all movement? I hadn't heard of this until this incident.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Yes, I know, but that's what happened, it would seem, along with stepping on each other.
Moi.
There was a day that we were something like 723, there was a SouthernJets 1223 and an Airliner 723.
Oftentimes I'll revert to "seven two three" like we use internationally for clarity, but it's a super easy mistake to make when you're not super careful.
Toobdrvr
Estrellas Asesino
Anyone else notice that about 2 minutes after the incident, a DAL3128 and a SWA1328 call for push and taxi out? Yikes!
About 10 yrs ago, another airline began a push into my employer's "Home Market" (and won). One of the first things they did was match our city pairs and flight numbers. Coincidence?
If this is reindeer games, I hope whoever's responsible is aware of what they almost contributed to...
About 10 yrs ago, another airline began a push into my employer's "Home Market" (and won). One of the first things they did was match our city pairs and flight numbers. Coincidence?
If this is reindeer games, I hope whoever's responsible is aware of what they almost contributed to...
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PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
I've screwed up my callsign for another. But I've never accepted a takeoff clearance for a runway I wasn't on.
Could happen to you. No one is immune to error.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
(ERAU-related comment)
My callsign-related screw-ups are usually related to something like this (they have decreased in frequency as generally I'm not doing nonsense like that anymore, but by the end of this particular day, who was who was a tenuous proposition):
Or having an "alternative" callsign (Buzzsaw 5392 [d/b/a Buzzsaw 598X]). Individual digits get read out sl-ow-ly, almost to the point of gumming up the works.
Yeah, I didn't like what I listened to this morning. BOTH the clearance acknowledgment, AND the subsequent readback were stepped upon. I do like how places like Vegas have discrete tower frequencies for each set of intersecting runways, and a box that tells each controller who "owns" the intersection, but this wasn't ATC's fault in the least.
Slow down!
We generally hear what we want to hear, and when you're
On a somewhat germane note, if you check on ONLY with the numerical part of your call sign, we will have a problem at some point. (That was another wart from the Beagle days, as it turns out there was an Airline Canada airplane on the frequency with the same number...)