near-collision of a US Airways jet

Apparently the Airways Captain could hear the Beech 99 close by. Beers would be on me if I was the Captain.
 
I heard a Continental pilot complain to ATC about having 500' separation from VFR traffic.

50' is uncomfortable though. Good job to the crew.
 
Why don't they release the name of the FAA controller who screwed up and parade him or her around on the news like they do to pilots when this happens? Heck, usually the headline says "Pilot makes error and almost kills XXX people"
 
Does anyone else find this paragraph hysterically funny, given the circumstances?

Published noise reduction procedures for the two runways recommend that controllers order departing planes to turn to different headings after they take off, when conditions and workloads permit, to spread out the impact on the neighborhoods below.
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darthpanda said:
Wait, there's still time to blame it on the pilot.
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The pilot blame has already started in local reports here in MSP. A few articles make mention that both aircraft were instructed to turn left. The US Airways flight turned but the beech didn't. Just what the articles are suggesting...don't shoot the messenger.

I blame it on the new TSA full body scanner there!
 
Do they do something wacky at MSP like simultaneous departures from 35 and the 30L/R or the 12L/R and 17?

In this case the NTSB bulletin says the Beech 99 was on 30L and the US A320 was on 30R. After departure, the A320 was instructed to turn west, into the Beech's path.
 
Minuteman said:
Do they do something wacky at MSP like simultaneous departures from 35 and the 30L/R or the 12L/R and 17?

In this case the NTSB bulletin says the Beech 99 was on 30L and the US A320 was on 30R. After departure, the A320 was instructed to turn west, into the Beech's path.
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35 is never used for takeoffs.

It's either:

Landing 12L/R
Departing 12L/R and 17

or:

Landing 30L/R and 35
Departing 30L/R
 
I wonder though how much time was in between the two takeoff's. For them to come within 50 ft, the smaller prop plane had to have taken off a bit sooner than the A320.

Now of course if it were VFR, then it would have been a non-issue as they 'should' have seen each other.

I know the RW's have different freq's, but would the planes have the other freq on and listening?
 
There was a near midair between two fed ex jets in Memphis a couple of years ago because ATC messed the callsigns up. They were both extremely similar, All the same numbers just in different order. ATC got confused and turned them together instead of apart. I think they were within 500 ft of each other, Doesn't sound as close as this incident but in the Fed Ex case, there were to Heavies involved...
 
Seems to me like one crew may have contributed to this.

The transcript shows that a controller told the cargo plane before takeoff that he should turn due south after takeoff. Two minutes later, the controller asks the pilot if he was in his turn. The pilot asked for a repeat. Portions of what followed were garbled, but then the controller asked: "OK, um, why didn't you start the turn once you were airborne?" "Well, (garbled) ... sorry about that," the cargo pilot replied.
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fholbert said:
Seems to me like one crew may have contributed to this.
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Hmm, oh yeah that certainly sounds like a smoking gun to me... BEFORE takeoff he was told to make a left south. Didn't specify when. after take-off...does that mean once the wheel come off the ground? 100'? 200'? as PIC I will climb to a SAFE altitude...ESPECIALLY IN IMC, and then start my turn, unless given specific directions...Turn left 180, now. ATC is responsible for separation, the pic is responsible for the safe flight of his airplane...sounds to me like atc didn't do their job.
Of course flying single pilot in a twin turbo prob in imc is certainly nowhere as difficult as sitting in a cushy chair in a building sipping on a coffee watching a screen.
 
i expect a turn no later than 500agl , cloud bases were at 900agl ,ntsb says the A/C passed each other at 1500agl.i think the AX is gonna fall on both sides on this one.
 
mooneyguy said:
Hmm, oh yeah that certainly sounds like a smoking gun to me... BEFORE takeoff he was told to make a left south. Didn't specify when. after take-off...does that mean once the wheel come off the ground? 100'? 200'? as PIC I will climb to a SAFE altitude...ESPECIALLY IN IMC, and then start my turn, unless given specific directions...Turn left 180, now. ATC is responsible for separation, the pic is responsible for the safe flight of his airplane...sounds to me like atc didn't do their job.
Of course flying single pilot in a twin turbo prob in imc is certainly nowhere as difficult as sitting in a cushy chair in a building sipping on a coffee watching a screen.
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Your ignorance is astounding.

When ATC gives you an instruction you are expected to comply as soon as safely able... Don't feed me about 1500 feet being safe. Many large airports order pilots to turn immediately on take off for succeeding departures... And those pilots initiate the turn within 100-200 feet AGL and I'm talking Q400s and the like... Toronto Pearson is a great example of this, and I'm sure many airports in the states.

If the pilots was instructed to turn on departure and knew they would not be able to safely do that until Xx altitude then they are REQUIRED to inform ATC before accepting/reading back the clearance.

Oh and another thing, I dont appreciate the attitude that we controllers just sit around sipping coffee and not caring. I can damn sure assure you that controller has had the crappiest time since this incident, they include nightmares, no sleeping, being "that guy" at work even if it isn't his fault.

You're correct that if we make a yard sale somewhere we don't die directly as a result... However we do have to try to live with ourselves forever with that horrible guilt.

Have some respect, considering how many movements a controller has in their career mistakes will eventually happen, unless it was negligent your tone of "text" is uncalled for.
 
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