Navy blasphemy

Polar742 said:
Perhaps the C130 was a SPECTRE. Add that to the F18 without weapons. Then take that divided by the amount of percent you were over Hurlburt or Eglin instead of NAS Pensacola to come up with the irony quotient.

As for how you'll sleep, just think back when you were playing volleyball shirtless on the beach with a bunch of other sweaty dudes and racing your crotch rocket against a fighter jet.

Oh, and going "ballistic on Penny Benjamen".

Sweet dreams, Sailor. ;)
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You can't shoot what you dont catch.:) I gotta be neutral in this thread as I changed the color of my uniform.
 
N18040 said:
I want a Phoenix missile. I instruct in a Tomahawk, think we could rig up a way to mount it on that?
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You want a big, heavy missile designed to hit non-maneuvering, enormous RCS targets a long ways away?

Screw that.

Give me an AMRAAM any day of the week.

There's a reason the Phoenix is retired.
 
Hacker15e said:
You want a big, heavy missile designed to hit non-maneuvering, enormous RCS targets a long ways away?

Screw that.

Give me an AMRAAM any day of the week.

There's a reason the Phoenix is retired.
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Agreed, but I am sure the Foxbat that got the hornet probably used a AA-6 missed by a mile, but the frag envelope was pretty big.
 
@ Calcapt: I'm interested in finding out what were the other retorts by the other pilots after the C130 made its comment. :)

Kind of reminds me of when we were leaving RIC and EVERYONE on the ground couldn't get PDC because the ACARS wouldn't work. That was the first day Skybus was to begin operations and so you could imagine how many transmissions were heard during taxi blaming them...lol.
 
fholbert said:
My friend spent three days with the Blue's for Plane and Pilot. He said they fly the oldest, beat up planes in the fleet.
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The Blue Angels get the same treatment that HMX-1 (the Marine One helos) does. We had absolute priority when we needed parts to keep our aircraft up. However we were dead last when it came to upgrades and facilities.

They will eventually get upgraded to younger aircraft, but only after the fleet has been completely filled. Even then all non essential gear will be stripped to save weight and MX hassle.

Our hangers at Quantico were from the 30s, and one of the barracks had been condemed for 6 months before we moved out. The VH-3D is a 40 year old design, and most of the airframes are 30-35 years old. The VH-60s are only 20 and thankfully much easier to maintain.
 
Also without having a dog in the fight, go Marine Corps? That way I can get a rise out of everyone haha!
 
MikeD said:
You lucky dog! What was your target? Full scale, such as a QF-4/QF-86 or similar?
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Don't remember the exact designation but both shots were targeted on drones made by Beechcraft. I recall them looking much like a Predator UAV. Follow on shots were conducted using the QF-4 but I was not one of the cadre that got to participate in that portion of the development.
 
Hacker15e said:
You want a big, heavy missile designed to hit non-maneuvering, enormous RCS targets a long ways away?

Screw that.

Give me an AMRAAM any day of the week.

There's a reason the Phoenix is retired.
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The Phoenix is old like me. I can't even imagine the gee whiz toys that exist today. You modern warriors just have to be patient and allow us old soldiers to talk about how things were so many many moons ago. Napalm and Mark 82s were cool too....:cool:
 
calcapt said:
The Phoenix is old like me. I can't even imagine the gee whiz toys that exist today. You modern warriors just have to be patient and allow us old soldiers to talk about how things were so many many moons ago. Napalm and Mark 82s were cool too....:cool:
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Curiously, did you fly the Tomcat post-Desert Storm when it picked-up the air-ground mission too, or were you in it when it was strictly air-air only? The days when air-ground was for the VA/VFA/VS guys :D ?
 
MikeD said:
Curiously, did you fly the Tomcat post-Desert Storm when it picked-up the air-ground mission too, or were you in it when it was strictly air-air only? The days when air-ground was for the VA/VFA/VS guys :D ?
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I remember the day when someone told me the Tomcat was dropping air to ground ordnance and I basically called them a liar. I know nothing about air-to-ground stuff other than what my old A-6 buddies told me. Do you know if the F-14 was even a capable platform to deliver ground stuff? That part of it's life is a complete mystery to me.
 
calcapt said:
Do you know if the F-14 was even a capable platform to deliver ground stuff? That part of it's life is a complete mystery to me.
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From everything I have heard from my IP's who flew it in Kosovo and Afghanistan, absolutely. They pioneered the buddy lase concept in the skies over Belgrade, and continued to provide CAS support up until their retirement.........even strafing when needed. Pretty cool way for it to retire IMHO, even if it isn't as glamorous as traditional VF stuff
 
calcapt said:
I remember the day when someone told me the Tomcat was dropping air to ground ordnance and I basically called them a liar. I know nothing about air-to-ground stuff other than what my old A-6 buddies told me. Do you know if the F-14 was even a capable platform to deliver ground stuff? That part of it's life is a complete mystery to me.
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When they became the Bombcat, they were equipped to drop Mk series dumb bombs, Paveway series LGBs; and even served as FAC(A)s and TAC(A)s.

I remember the F-8 Crusader and when it left the fleet (the RF-8G, for my age), and the motto was "When you're out of the F-8, you're out of fighters.

With the Tomcat, when you were out of the F-14, it was the end of VF.

Started with the first patch, ended with the second patch for the USN, and the third patch is the sole remaining user of the F-14A
 

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Say what they want but who do they call when there's a conflict?

The Marines always claim to be first in. But they had the Air Force bomb the crap out of the area in the weeks before they went in.

By the way, it was the Air Force who flew the Army and Marines equipment half way around the world in the first place.

Sure, Navy Air get to hit some targets. Of course the Air Force found the targets for them.

Stealth bombers and fighters? I guess only the Air Force has those.
 
///AMG said:
From everything I have heard from my IP's who flew it in Kosovo and Afghanistan, absolutely. They pioneered the buddy lase concept in the skies over Belgrade,
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Pioneered it for who?

When I hear Tomcat guys talk about their LGB operations, they seem to think that they invented it.

F-111s and F-4s were buddy-lasing LGBs in Vietnam.

The reality is, the Tomcat was an average LGB platform at best. The LANTIRN pod was never fully integrated with the rest of the airplane's avionics -- it was simply bolted on as a stand-alone system. It had significant areas where the fuselage masked the line of sight for both the laser and FLIR.

The reason that they think it was so good is because they've never dropped bombs in an airplane that has an IR pod with a small masking profile and which is fully integrated in with the radar, moving map, datalink/sit display, RWR, etc (which allows cross-cue of sensors along with handoff of data between those sensors and integration of all that through the central computer in the jet).

It's sort of like thinking your base model Camaro is a serious muscle car -- once you get into an SS, you'll realize that it's really not.
 
Please don't turn this thread into anything other than lighthearted banter about nothing particularly serious. I like the Air Force, I love Army Helo guys and the Marines are kick butt talented as one would expect. The Coast Guard guys are a bit weak but what do you expect? Seriously, the Coast Guard Pilots do some pretty insane flying.

Fly your individual flag and be proud of who you are - nobody can take that from you .

Now back to having fun...
 
Hacker15e said:
Pioneered it for who?

When I hear Tomcat guys talk about their LGB operations, they seem to think that they invented it.

F-111s and F-4s were buddy-lasing LGBs in Vietnam.
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I meant for the Tomcat community and for naval air (at least as I understood it). I'm sure they didn't have the capabilities of the Strike Eagle, but in terms of our fleet a/c, they had more fuel and more carrying capability than any Hornet, not to mention another set of eyes that the USN Hornet community didn't have at the time (pre Rhino).
 
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