NATCA ?

Best of luck to your JT, and to those who share that view.

They need more just like you, and less of the weak minded robots that they are getting.

Well it helps growing up with a father who is ATC. We talk alot about what's going on plus my guard unit has several controllers employed with the FAA at various locations. So I hear alot of what's going on behind the scenes.

BTW, I like the quote in ur sig...lol
 
I wonder if an OJTI will go out of their way to get you checked out if your not a union member........hmmmm

You can't expect anything. Even as a union member.

But. . .the odds are in one's favor if you are also a member, and are having some trouble, that a much wiser union member may be willing to spend some more time with you, give you the benefit of the doubt, and help you get to the quality of controller they want along with what the agency wants.

But, you can pretty much promise you won't get any additional help if you (within a few short days of arriving on station) give the union the finger.
 
The only reason I'm not a NATCA member is because I can't afford it right now. I plan too as soon as I check out though. I'm just hurting so bad financially right now.

P.S. Can I recommend to some of the NATCA folks, to start an adoption or sponsor program for us new FAA folks. Like you pay our dues for us for a year or help us pay them? Just suggestions for a new controller who wants to be a NATCA member but can't pay for it now.
 
The only reason I'm not a NATCA member is because I can't afford it right now. I plan too as soon as I check out though. I'm just hurting so bad financially right now.

P.S. Can I recommend to some of the NATCA folks, to start an adoption or sponsor program for us new FAA folks. Like you pay our dues for us for a year or help us pay them? Just suggestions for a new controller who wants to be a NATCA member but can't pay for it now.

How much does it cost? I read on The Main Bang where John Carr was calling for members to donate to help out new hires to join NATCA, I don't know what ever became of that though!
 
How much does it cost? I read on The Main Bang where John Carr was calling for members to donate to help out new hires to join NATCA, I don't know what ever became of that though!

It's a % of your base pay. So it depends on your facility level and what stage of training you are in.

TB :cool:
 
The only reason I'm not a NATCA member is because I can't afford it right now. I plan too as soon as I check out though. I'm just hurting so bad financially right now.

P.S. Can I recommend to some of the NATCA folks, to start an adoption or sponsor program for us new FAA folks. Like you pay our dues for us for a year or help us pay them? Just suggestions for a new controller who wants to be a NATCA member but can't pay for it now.

We talked this over at A80 and here was the consensus. When we came into the Agency no one paid our dues, and yes, we were making less than you new guys are. It's called "paying your dues"...get the pun? We also felt that, and yes this will be hard to believe, that after that time that we pay your dues is up, some noob is going to say I don't wanna pay dues, I can get what the Union offers for free. Or I still can't afford it so can you pay them longer, etc.

Last comment on this...Can you afford NOT to join the Union. We are the only ones looking out for you.
 
The only reason I'm not a NATCA member is because I can't afford it right now. I plan too as soon as I check out though. I'm just hurting so bad financially right now.

P.S. Can I recommend to some of the NATCA folks, to start an adoption or sponsor program for us new FAA folks. Like you pay our dues for us for a year or help us pay them? Just suggestions for a new controller who wants to be a NATCA member but can't pay for it now.

i am sorry did the FAA put a gun to your head and force you to be a controller for less money??????????????if they did than id be glad to pick up your dues.as far as i see it you took the job for the pay and work rules and you have no right to complain about not haveing the money to join the union, remember its better than Taco Bell right??????
 
Queeno,
No one said I was complaining about not having the money to join the Union. I was just stating I can't afford to be a member right now due to the pay. You are correct I took the job at the low pay under the bad work rules. I quit the 2nd highest paying federal contract tower job for it. I love the job and NATCA will have my support financially as soon as I finish checking out.

ATLTRACON (CJ),
The decision yall came to at A90 makes since to me, I see where that would/could be a problem. Reference your question, "Can you afford NOT to join the Union?" my answer right now is yes. I'm already working two jobs to keep my wife and two kids from going hungry. I'm not complaining mind you. I'm just telling you I REALLY don't have the cash. Also when you guys started you said you made less than we are now, thats correct but it's relative. Your pay vs. cost of living at the time, is equal to or just shy of what we are getting now vs. cost of living.
 
Queeno,
No one said I was complaining about not having the money to join the Union. I was just stating I can't afford to be a member right now due to the pay. You are correct I took the job at the low pay under the bad work rules. I quit the 2nd highest paying federal contract tower job for it. I love the job and NATCA will have my support financially as soon as I finish checking out.

ATLTRACON (CJ),
The decision yall came to at A90 (A80) A90 is Boston TRACON, which I used to work at but not anymore. makes since to me, I see where that would/could be a problem. Reference your question, "Can you afford NOT to join the Union?" This was not a financial question. This was a question as to who is going to protect you if, during training, something happens and they want to can you. my answer right now is yes. I'm already working two jobs to keep my wife and two kids from going hungry. I'm not complaining mind you. I'm just telling you I REALLY don't have the cash. Also when you guys started you said you made less than we are now, thats correct but it's relative. Your pay vs. cost of living at the time, is equal to or just shy of what we are getting now vs. cost of living.
 
ATLTRACON,
Understood... I guess I'm kinda playing Russian Roulette w/ my FAA Career but I have to at this point. And sorry for the slip of the finger I know A80 not 90. :)
 
And I'm only a member in an associate capacity since I have no drive honestly to even bother to use my CTI education. . .BUT. . .

I don't think it'd be too bad of an idea to offer new FAA members a year without dues extraction.

ALPA does this. The first year, is due free. But once you hit first year - it's 1.95% a month.

Which, I'm thankful for. Provides me the ability to use to the union's services, and still pay my bills. ;)

Just an idea, which I know NATCA has thrown around a couple times already.
 
This is some more rocket science decision making from you current/future employer. They have decided to, not do routine maintenance on equipment, rather "Fix on fail" after is has failed. This is the thought process of your employer.
Taken from http://www.faafollies.com/

“Fix on fail”…
Imagine taking your car on a road trip across the desert. It’s a 1000 mile trip, yet you don’t check your oil, fluids, or tires before you go. You just get in and go.
As you drive, the oil light comes on. You keep going. Then the ‘check engine’ light illuminates. You keep going. Then your tires go flat. The rims will work just fine. Your engine overheats. You keep plugging along with clouds pouring out of your radiator. Your fuel runs low. Engine’s still running, so why quit? Battery light comes on. Hey, that’s what alternators are for!
Along the way, you’ve passed gas station after gas station. Tires, fuel, oil, water - it’s all there. But hey, the car hadn’t quit yet, right? There was no need to stop and waste time. Besides, all that stuff costs money! From the cost and effort standpoint, running the car into ground makes all the sense in the world! Just throw caution to the wind and bet on the come.
As you cheerfully rattled across the desert in your disintegrating car, other motorists have offered to give you a hand or at least point out the issues your car is having. “Hey, you’ve got a flat!” or “Dude, you’ve got a cloud of smoke pouring out your pipe.” or “Buddy, do you need a tow?”. No, no, everything’s fine and wonderful. No, no, I don’t need you to call an on-the-go mechanic. No, no, please stop telling me the same thing over and over and over.
Even the cop who pulled you over and issued you a ticket for driving an “unsafe vehicle” was no deterrent. Or the four other cops after that. You’ve got a glovebox full of tickets and warnings from “the law” telling you what’s wrong and what you need to fix, but it makes no difference in your mind. They’re just delaying your journey, even as your engine RPM grinds down slower and slower.
And you, the helpful expert mechanic who offered some help and suggestions, what do you know about cars? You’re just - can’t stop laughing - a mechanic! You never went through college! Moron! I’ve never lifted a hood in my life and I can tell you exactly how my car works and how to tune it up. What do you know? Stupid grease monkey….
Somewhere in the middle of nowhere, your car dies completely. Your forward-thinking well-prepared ass has no food or water, a dead cell phone that can’t be charged off a non-starting battery-less car, and nothing but desert around you and vultures above you.
You took the risk and where did it get you? Broken down, alone, being eyed by hungry vultures, with no one to call for help.
Welcome to the FAA. I hope we get where we’re going before this engine grinds to a halt… only to get kicked into gear via the explosive energy of a mid-air collision.
 
WOW, all i can say is send this kid to chicago tracon we are looking for some good managers and he seems to have all the answers with out ever controlling airplane one.


Uh oh... my husband and I are looking into Chicago as a possibe destination...

Hope to see you before you retire, queeno! :) And we aren't trying to be managers/supes.

Oh, and it's better than Wendy's...if it were Taco Bell, we may reconsider! ;)
 
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