Nasty Flat Spin

TXsky

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What is the best way to prevent this?

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Apologize for the repost...haven't seen this one before.

Based on the fact that you're asking this... go get spin training.

In pursuit of a PPL ticket I've had the basic spin recovery training (P.A.R.E.) but haven't seen anything like this. Does the same principles apply in a flat spin? Push the stick forward to break the stall? Or are control surfaces usually useless in this situation
 
You are all idiots!!! Haven't you seen Top Gun?! You can't get out of a flat spin and Goose always dies!!!!!!!!!!

When we did Combat Archer at Tyndall, the 83rd WEG safety pilot (who was a Navy guy) that was flying with us said "the drone is in a flat spin headed out to sea" on the primary control freq just after my buddy blew the wing off the QF-4 sending it down in a ball of flames. I lol'd a little bit......as did everyone during the overall debrief where we watched radar/helmet tapes.
 
In pursuit of a PPL ticket I've had the basic spin recovery training (P.A.R.E.) but haven't seen anything like this. Does the same principles apply in a flat spin? Push the stick forward to break the stall? Or are control surfaces usually useless in this situation

Depends on type, but you can still get out of them using the standard PARE recovery.

http://www.apstraining.com/2009/flat-spin-recovery-demostration-video/ has a nifty video demonstrating flat spin and recovery.
 
What is the best way to prevent this?

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Do it right. Simple really. And when the engine quits, attempt a re-start. I've had a student put me in an un-intentional spin in an airplane that it's prohibited. P.A.R.E. still worked in that airplane. It was my fault, I let him take it to far. But I learned from it for sure. And, after one turn, him freaking out, and me trying not to let him know I was about to be freaking out, he recovered, not me.

Had the guy attempted a restart, he would be fine today. It would have flown back.
 
What is the best way to prevent this?

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Pay particular attention to your W&B

Anything that has a more forward CG bias is generally less likely to get into/sustain a flat spin with the power off and neutral controls.... in the general aviation scope of things.

The PARE is great and all for lower performance GA aircraft that you can over-control without penalty, but it can set you up for some surprises in a little higher performance, aerobatic aircraft. Bill Finagin in MD does some really great recovery training in a Pitts S2C. It is a little non-standard, but he is in the IAC hall of fame... and probably has more time in departed flight than controlled flight. His recovery is simple for any spin (flat, inverted flat, up-right, etc). Power - Idle, Forcefully Neutralize the controls, look for the airspeed, gently pull out (sts).
 
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