Fixtur
Dunning-Kruger Expert
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...e-encounter-with-mystery-aircraft-over-oregon
Anyone else hear of this?
Anyone else hear of this?
Mystery aircraft over Oregon 10/25
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NovemberEcho
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First I heard of it but just reached out to some ZOA and ZSE controllers. My first thought was a Tu-160 that strayed too close (cause it specifically says it was white) but I guess it was over land, not the Pacific?
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NovemberEcho
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My sources are telling me the fighters did find it and made visual.
"We know the fighters found it but they seemed to know right away they couldn't tell us what it was. They basically said 'yeahhh...we're going to let this one go' and that was the end of it." He also said from the way it was described it reminded them of RAT55.
https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-worlds-most-secretive-737-is-really-the-usafs-most-1686479619
"We know the fighters found it but they seemed to know right away they couldn't tell us what it was. They basically said 'yeahhh...we're going to let this one go' and that was the end of it." He also said from the way it was described it reminded them of RAT55.
https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-worlds-most-secretive-737-is-really-the-usafs-most-1686479619
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Richman
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Lawman
Well-Known Member
With the amount of plugged in tech and active open source data combined with on board systems out there it’s not impossible to navigate an airspace system without actively participating in it or emitting any kind of identification.
For example, say we wanted to dispatch a B-2 to conduct a strike somewhere very bad....
I’ll agree I’d want to know who/what was near me if I was up there with whatever this was, but in a world of stealth/black projects this will hardly be the first time everybody without a need to know was in the dark.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
It was the flight from the langoliers.
NovemberEcho
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It's very possible if whatever this was was one of ours (which seems likely) that it had AWACS support. Although based on my experiences with AWACS Controllers, when it comes to vectoring away from traffic you're probably better off just looking out the window.
FloridaLarry
Well-Known Member
It's a biplane!
The biggest, baddest biplane I've ever seen with four jets and a LOT of hard-points.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
It has nothing to do with the aircraft in question being able to navigate and keep clear of traffic but rather the fact that whomever had control of the airspace they were in now needs to start providing their controlled traffic with separation from a target they know nothing about and have no idea where is going. Sure, they aren't going to run over anybody (probably) but now there is a giant black hole move around in the airspace that the controller needs to vector traffic around.
Lawman
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I’m not saying it isn’t a challenge/burden on the civilian system to adapt to.
I’m saying that before anybody gets in a tizzy about safety (remember the midair thread) there are more than a few ways to get around the normal means of navigating and if this was a dark/stealth type aircraft there’s a good chance radar was never supposed to see it so that burden wouldn’t have been there.
That’s not new. I can bet if we went back and looked at the totality of a program like B2 or 117 or the other weird spook projects like the bird of prey or tacit Blue, at some point and some time there were controllers looking a a screen trying to figure out what the heck this subsonic UFO was doing and how to keep their controlled traffic the heck away from it.
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Probably happens, but it shouldn't. That's what MOAs and restricted areas are for.
I can remember coming back from LSV one evening in a jet that didn't have the radar reflectors reinstalled following an operation up there. Up in the Flight Levels, and the standard, one each, military transponder decides to stop transponding. And poof.....disappeared completely off ZLAs radar.