my cfi and family friend died today in a crash with a student

I'm truly sorry for your loss. If you love to fly, then by all means keep going ... which it sounds like you really want to do. Your family may discourage you, but educate them as best as you can. If possible, get them to take an intro flight and have the instructor explain the safety aspects of piloting a light piston single.

Before you go to ATP, mourn, grieve. Don't bottle up any emotions ... let them flow, you need to get them out of your system ... laws of nature. Pick yourself up, get back into an airplane before ATP, and get your gameface on because you need to be focused for intense programs like ATP so it would help to let your emotions flow now so they're note as likely to liger when you're trying to focus.

Again, truly sorry for your loss! Grive, pick yourself up, and live your life to the best you can!
 
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Im very sorry man. Hey what part of the country do you live?

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This may answer that question...
Small plane lost in NY
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Wow. I saw a report of this accident on CNN this afternoon, the wx looked like crap and they said the aircraft was only a quarter-mile from the runway.

Sorry for your loss, man.
 
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I'm truly sorry for your loss. If you love to fly, then by all means keep going ... which it sounds like you really want to do. Your family may discourage you, but educate them as best as you can. If possible, get them to take an intro flight and have the instructor explain the safety aspects of piloting a light piston single.

Before you go to ATP, mourn, grieve. Don't bottle up any emotions ... let them flow, you need to get them out of your system ... laws of nature. Pick yourself up, get back into an airplane before ATP, and get your gameface on because you need to be focused for intense programs like ATP so it would help to let your emotions flow now so they're note as likely to liger when you're trying to focus.

Again, truly sorry for your loss! Grive, pick yourself up, and live your life to the best you can!

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Yeah...i will do that...the more I think about it and read other people quotes the more I realize that stuff happens... I always wanted to fly and I am going to do it... I will take some time to mourn and concentrate in finishing school. Then I will take couple more lessons and head down to Florida to ATP.

Thanks everybody who has shared their own experiences and supported me...it actually makes a difference to know that other people understand and have gone through it themselves. Also to anybody that knew him, was his student or is a student at American flyers, my condolences. If anybody wants to talk, let me know, and how to get in contact.
 
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My mom kept pointing out how Kennedy Jr died (the only other case that they know about).

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There's an opportunity here, not only to better inform your parents and your girlfriend, but also to help calm thier fears. If you do some research on the JFK Jr crash, you'll see that most of the factors were pilot error. Sit down with your family and analyze the last few minutes of that flight. Show them where he went wrong, and explain how you've learned from that crash. Many people think that single engine aircraft are death traps waiting to fall out of the sky, and an accident that hits close to home only enforces that belief. If you calmly explain the factors that lead up to the accident, they see that there is a chain of events (some controllable some not) that lead to the accident. Identifying the probable causes of the accident that if eliminated would have prevented the crash takes the mystery out of the equation and identifies what can be done to avoid a similar situation next time. My advice is to work through the grief, then sit down and talk with your family and girlfriend. Show them that you are serious about this as a career and you are cautious and knowledgable. I've been lucky so far as I've only known one person that's been in an accident. The person he was with (that I didn't know) died, and my friend came about 4 inches from being killed himself. What made it hit closer to home was that it was in a plane that I had flown not two months earlier.
 
the wx does indeed look like it was pretty bad:

KHPN 232118Z 19013G19KT 3/4SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2947 RMK AO2 RAB01 P0000

KHPN 232056Z 19014G20KT 1/4SM FG OVC002 13/13 A2947 RMK AO2 RAE43 SLP981 P0002 60005 T01280128 58015

KHPN 232018Z 19012G20KT 160V220 1/2SM -RA FG OVC002 13/13 A2948

KHPN 231956Z COR 18012G20KT 3/4SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2948 RMK AO2 RAB12 SLP985 P0003 T01280128 AIRCRAFT MISHAP


My prayers go out the all involved.
 
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I am feeling really low...my cfi and good family friend died today while trying to land with bad weather and low visivility. He was coming back from albany with a student.



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Sorry for your loss. I was actually good friends with the student, LEv. We went to high school together. Feeling bummer out and sorry for his family.
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I am sorry about what happened. Carry on and fly high like everyone else said. Your instructor would have wanted you to do so. Take the lessons learned from him and carry those through with you for the rest of your flying career.

Aviation is a very small close nit group of people. Sadly tragic events happen that bring us together. Dont be discouraged and continue flying.
 
I am very sorry for your loss. If you want to fly then you should still do it, flying is still statistically safer than driving.
 
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I am very sorry for your loss. If you want to fly then you should still do it, flying is still statistically safer than driving.

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I hear that statement all the time. I rarely post, but i felt this statement strong enough to comment on it. This is an urban myth, please stop saying it. Once and for all, NO it is not. The safest way to move from a to b is train and bus. Go to the ntsb's website and look it up.
 
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...flying is still statistically safer than driving.

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This is an urban myth, please stop saying it. Once and for all, NO it is not. The safest way to move from A to B is train and bus. Go to the NTSB's website and look it up.

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It is true that flying is statistically safer than driving and that's exactly what the original post said. Even if trains & buses are the safest, flying is still safer than going by car so it's no urban legend.
 
Sorry if I sounded rude earlier, but statistics always lie anyways. When it comes down to it, you can bend the statistics any which way. Flying will always represent a managed risk, like getting on the highway. If anyone cares, here are the stats for transportation modes. Like I said, they can be interpreted any which way, bent to suit whatever you want to see. La-Z--Link
 
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This is an urban myth, please stop saying it. Once and for all, NO it is not. The safest way to move from a to b is train and bus. Go to the ntsb's website and look it up.

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Are you saying driving is safer than flying? what numbers shwow that, where are your ref's?. I have seen a few, and I know anyone can make the numbers say what they want, but here are a few that would point to the fact that flying is safer:

Type of Accident or Manner of Injury Deaths One Year Odds Lifetime Odds

All External Causes of Mortality, V01-Y89, *U01, *U03 164,112 1,755 23

Deaths Due to Unintentional (Accidental) Injuries, V01-X59, Y85-Y86 106,742 2,698 35

Car occupant, V40-V49 16,337 17,625 228
Air and space transport accidents, V95-V97 653 440,951 5,704
taken from here:

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

Here's another one:

http://www.fearofflying.com/research.shtml

NOt trying to pick battles, but if this is a myth as you say, where is some info to support that.
 
I should have said that I believe that the survivability of a car accident is higher than an airplane accident. I apologize, as my original statement was trying to say too much. Breaking it down into a few parts,
A: An airplane accident is harder to walk away from than a car accident, so for example, GA flying is more risky than the equivalent level of driving. This is obvious, I don't need to say any more.
B: I feel that "flying is safer than driving" is a misrepresentation of the risks of flying. Anyone who is interested in flying, is a pilot, or related to a pilot should know the risks, and how they can be managed. Referencing kellwolf's post, people should be informed as best as possible about the risks of flying and talk about it with others so that they can make the best decisions for them and let others know that too. I snapped at that statement because you hear it all the time and I do not believe it to be true.
C: This myth should be applied to buses and railroads, because in the stats included in my link and jep's first link, it is true that the total number of passengers killed on railroads and buses is less than the total number of airplane passenger deaths in a number of years, thus illustrating that these statistics can show another form of transportation to be "the safest".
D;free to call me a wanker if you think any of this doesn't make sense. . Lastly, I think that we should talk about this on another thread.
 
Tinkle tinkle tink! New Thread

I presume I'm showing my age with the "Tinkle tinkle tink" reference from the show "I Dream Of Jeanie"

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Sorry for the loss

Like someone else said, the only thing we can do is to learn what happened, find out
if it could have been prevented and learn from the mistake.

It is our duty to learn from others mistakes and pass on that knowledge to others; this
is the best way to pay tribute to those that have lost their live in this profession
 
I read somewhere that flying light GA aircraft has a similar risk level as riding a motorcycle. Airlines are a whole lot safer though. I can't remember the source of that info though, so take it as you will.

I think it makes sense though. A significant proportion of those flying light aircraft are either learning to fly, instructing (which has it's risks), or low time pilots. As the size of the aircraft goes up, usually so does the pilot's experience and training.
 
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