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CoffeeIcePapers said:
Had a Delta guy show up for the jumpseat with jeans and sandals. I think he got caught on vacation or something and an IROP screwed his nonrev plans, but didn't apologize, ask if it was ok, explain the situation, or anything.
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You wear your jeans, you’d better darned well hope you can non-rev! :)
 
Derg said:
You wear your jeans, you’d better darned well hope you can non-rev! :)
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I've had both United and Delta ask to jumpseat (in a cabin seat) while wearing shorts, a tshirt, and sneakers, because it was "only" an inter island flight in Hawaii abd they were on vacation. Both times the captains let them on without even saying something. We are our own worst enemies.
 
Last time I flew in to EWR, I had two UA jumpseaters who both got seats in the back. One came up and presented his credentials. The other made eye contact, walked straight past me and went to go sit down.

Maybe you treat Express that way, but not off-line. /s....sort of.
 
roundout said:
Last time I flew in to EWR, I had two UA jumpseaters who both got seats in the back. One came up and presented his credentials. The other made eye contact, walked straight past me and went to go sit down.

Maybe you treat Express that way, but not off-line. /s....sort of.
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Have had similar experiences, although uncommon, most come and say hi with credentials.
 
CFIT99 said:
Have had similar experiences, although uncommon, most come and say hi with credentials.
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So you're saying most people are reasonable, and there's no sense getting worked up or offended by the minority who don't do it right?

Based.
 
roundout said:
So you're saying most people are reasonable, and there's no sense getting worked up or offended by the minority who don't do it right?

Based.
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your response is not what I expected...

I'm on your side, that crap happens a lot...you implied it happens ALL the time...it doesn't... BUT when it does call that • out
 
CFIT99 said:
your response is not what I expected...

I'm on your side, that crap happens a lot...you implied it happens ALL the time...it doesn't... BUT when it does call that • out
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I think my response was so jaded and sarcastic that it doubled back on itself and made me sound like one of those guys.

Really, there's no excuse to not come up and say hi and ask for a ride. It shouldn't matter what company you're trying to jump on. You need to come up and ask.
 
roundout said:
I think my response was so jaded and sarcastic that it doubled back on itself and made me sound like one of those guys.

Really, there's no excuse to not come up and say hi and ask for a ride. It shouldn't matter what company you're trying to jump on. You need to come up and ask.
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I did it one time. They were super late and the CA was busy with mx and the gate agents were melting down. I just got out of the way and took my seat. I came up after the flight and explained myself. CA was cool with it.
 
Asking from the outside looking in.

I get that the etiquette is to present yourself and your credentials to the crew. My question is: why?

Why is this a thing? I'm not asking rhetorically....is it in case the riding pilot is needed to help out for something?
 
roundout said:
Last time I flew in to EWR, I had two UA jumpseaters who both got seats in the back. One came up and presented his credentials. The other made eye contact, walked straight past me and went to go sit down.

Maybe you treat Express that way, but not off-line. /s....sort of.
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CFIT99 said:
Have had similar experiences, although uncommon, most come and say hi with credentials.
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Our FOM says pilots or FAs who have been cleared to the back of the plane do not need to check in with CA in order to avoid last minute distractions on the flight deck before pushback.
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
I did it one time. They were super late and the CA was busy with mx and the gate agents were melting down. I just got out of the way and took my seat. I came up after the flight and explained myself. CA was cool with it.
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I've done that exactly once, also. They boarded without a cockpit crew, there were like 30 open seats, figured it was easier to sit down and shut up. Discretion being the better part of valor, I was going to explain what happened after arrival, but the crew had bugged out before I got off the plane.
 
killbilly said:
Asking from the outside looking in.

I get that the etiquette is to present yourself and your credentials to the crew. My question is: why?

Why is this a thing? I'm not asking rhetorically....is it in case the riding pilot is needed to help out for something?
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The actual jumpseat belongs to the captain, so even though the gate agent may have cleared you, you still need to request a ride. Seats in the back don't really belong to the captain, but because you are accessing those seats via the jumpseat process, you are supposed to check in with the captain.
 
killbilly said:
Asking from the outside looking in.

I get that the etiquette is to present yourself and your credentials to the crew. My question is: why?

Why is this a thing? I'm not asking rhetorically....is it in case the riding pilot is needed to help out for something?
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Most airlines it’s an FOM requirement even if you’re in the back. You’re still technically considered an additional crew member (which also means if you’re sitting in first class, on the way home, you can’t have a drink).
It CAN get weird if the agent sends you down and there’s nobody home up front, then you end up in this awkward spot of having to wait until the end when things are getting busier. Usually at the very least if that happens I let the FW FA at least know what’s up.
 
JordanD said:
Most airlines it’s an FOM requirement even if you’re in the back. You’re still technically considered an additional crew member (which also means if you’re sitting in first class, on the way home, you can’t have a drink).
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Wait. What? How does that work?

It CAN get weird if the agent sends you down and there’s nobody home up front, then you end up in this awkward spot of having to wait until the end when things are getting busier. Usually at the very least if that happens I let the FW FA at least know what’s up.
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Always wondered about that. And yeah, when the CA and FO are trying to get the flight ready, it would SEEM to my un-educated eye that interrupting them would be unwelcome but apparently it isn't.

Thank you for the clarification.
 
killbilly said:
Wait. What? How does that work?




Always wondered about that. And yeah, when the CA and FO are trying to get the flight ready, it would SEEM to my un-educated eye that interrupting them would be unwelcome but apparently it isn't.

Thank you for the clarification.
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That’s something I wish more of the etiquette stuff would go over too. If I go up and they look like they’re in the middle of a brief or checklist, I’ll just kind of stand there awkwardly until they’re finished. It’s annoying to be mid way through a checklist and someone comes up yelling “HI GUYS!!!” and you have to either look rude and put a finger up to tell them to hang on a second or start the checklist over again.
 
killbilly said:
Always wondered about that. And yeah, when the CA and FO are trying to get the flight ready, it would SEEM to my un-educated eye that interrupting them would be unwelcome but apparently it isn't.

Thank you for the clarification.
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Unless you're new, getting the plane ready doesn't take long at all. We show up an hour prior to departure and if all things not in control of the pilots is taken care of (fuel, maintenance, catering, etc) we could probably be completely ready to go in 10-15 minutes if everyone is on their game. It is good technique to stand in the doorway and feel out the situation. If they're briefing or going over some complicated MEL, just be a fly on the wall until it feels appropriate to interrupt.

I'm not going to be personally insulted if someone doesn't check in, but when I'm jumpseating I like to tell the front desk workers thanks for the free ride. Plus, aviation is a small world. Hasn't happened a ton, but I've had it happen a handful of times that I know sone of the pilots working the flight.
 
JordanD said:
That’s something I wish more of the etiquette stuff would go over too. If I go up and they look like they’re in the middle of a brief or checklist, I’ll just kind of stand there awkwardly until they’re finished. It’s annoying to be mid way through a checklist and someone comes up yelling “HI GUYS!!!” and you have to either look rude and put a finger up to tell them to hang on a second or start the checklist over again.
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No real good choice there. Stand like a creeper while Captain Bob is showing off his sailboat to the FO or barge in like the Kool Aid man.
 
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