MX flight in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Brazilian_Pilot said:
Dude, have you ever flown in the U.S. Midwest? That my friend is boring!

You are a great photographer BTW! Maybe when I return to Brazil in June you can teach me some camera skills!
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No problem, where are you heading in BR? I just moved to Sao Paulo from Rio last Sunday
 
swisspilot said:
It`s Marica`, about an hour drive to the east of Rio de Janerio
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Of course...Marica. Isn't there a Navaid of some kind there? I think it may be part of an Arrival procedure into SDU if I remember correctly.

How is flying down there these days, btw? I hear the major airlines can't hire enough pilots at this point. If there wern't 83,000 hoops to jump through I would have my ANAC licenses by now. But to transfer all my FAA stuff I need to take two writtens, take a flight check in a multi-engine somewhere with an examiner from ANAC, not to mention get my CCF in Brasilia. All doable, just very time consuming.
 
embraer07 said:
Of course...Marica. Isn't there a Navaid of some kind there? I think it may be part of an Arrival procedure into SDU if I remember correctly.

How is flying down there these days, btw? I hear the major airlines can't hire enough pilots at this point. If there wern't 83,000 hoops to jump through I would have my ANAC licenses by now. But to transfer all my FAA stuff I need to take two writtens, take a flight check in a multi-engine somewhere with an examiner from ANAC, not to mention get my CCF in Brasilia. All doable, just very time consuming.
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Yeah there is a pretty important VOR there, it`s actually closer to Rio then to the airport of Marica`. All the traffic going/leaving to SDU and GRU uses it. There are NDBs all over the place, one is even out on an island.

You really have to take one written, ANAC does not know the regs, you can take the air law for CPL/IFR and that`s it, but they don`t know that and want peoples to take the VFR and IFR one....CCF is a cake.

if you are lucky you can get everything done in 3 months or.......6

My gf just got hired on a 727 cargo with just over 300 hours...
 
swisspilot said:
Yeah there is a pretty important VOR there, it`s actually closer to Rio then to the airport of Marica`. All the traffic going/leaving to SDU and GRU uses it. There are NDBs all over the place, one is even out on an island.

You really have to take one written, ANAC does not know the regs, you can take the air law for CPL/IFR and that`s it, but they don`t know that and want peoples to take the VFR and IFR one....CCF is a cake.

if you are lucky you can get everything done in 3 months or.......6

My gf just got hired on a 727 cargo with just over 300 hours...
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Yeah, I called and spoke with a guy from ANAC a few months ago and he told me I had to take the CPL and IFR written exam. Sounded excessive to me so glad to hear that he was wrong. Where do I even go to take the written? Better yet, do you know of a place where I can go to take the written AND get the flight check done? If so I could do both over a couple of days rather than having to criss-cross Brazil for each stage. I think the CCF is only in Brasilia, right? No big deal, but if I can get the written and flight check done in the same place that would help.

Your gf's times sound right...I hear the airlines are hiring guys with 500 total and no multi requirement. TAM I believe is only taking guys with 1,000 total right now and for most people that is like an unattainable number.

In fact just the other day I was reading through some posts on a Brazilian aviation forum (contato radar) and guys were actually asking if having a multi-engine rating was even a requirement to apply to the airlines!!! Even more shocking was that they were not too far off base. Apparently having your multi-engine rating is a requirement that goes in and out..but is currently most definently in.

And here in the U.S. we consider having 100 hours multi as being low time! I am currently waiting on hearing back from an airline here, but if that doesn't work out I will be setting my target on Azul, TRIP, TAM, and GOL.... with my 1400 hours total, over 100 multi and fluent English (and Portuguese) I don't think I will have any problems landing a job down there. Especially now that they are desperate for pilots.

BTW: I LOVE that aeroclube!! Bar Brahma!! HAHA.... I miss Brazil so much! Even more so after checking out the pictures of Sertanejo Night! WOW!!
 
embraer07 said:
Yeah, I called and spoke with a guy from ANAC a few months ago and he told me I had to take the CPL and IFR written exam. Sounded excessive to me so glad to hear that he was wrong. Where do I even go to take the written? Better yet, do you know of a place where I can go to take the written AND get the flight check done? If so I could do both over a couple of days rather than having to criss-cross Brazil for each stage. I think the CCF is only in Brasilia, right? No big deal, but if I can get the written and flight check done in the same place that would help.

Your gf's times sound right...I hear the airlines are hiring guys with 500 total and no multi requirement. TAM I believe is only taking guys with 1,000 total right now and for most people that is like an unattainable number.

In fact just the other day I was reading through some posts on a Brazilian aviation forum (contato radar) and guys were actually asking if having a multi-engine rating was even a requirement to apply to the airlines!!! Even more shocking was that they were not too far off base. Apparently having your multi-engine rating is a requirement that goes in and out..but is currently most definently in.

And here in the U.S. we consider having 100 hours multi as being low time! I am currently waiting on hearing back from an airline here, but if that doesn't work out I will be setting my target on Azul, TRIP, TAM, and GOL.... with my 1400 hours total, over 100 multi and fluent English (and Portuguese) I don't think I will have any problems landing a job down there. Especially now that they are desperate for pilots.

BTW: I LOVE that aeroclube!! Bar Brahma!! HAHA.... I miss Brazil so much! Even more so after checking out the pictures of Sertanejo Night! WOW!!
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The CCF, you can get it in all the main cities, in Rio they are pretty good you do everything there for around 340 reais, while in places like SP you do pay the same but you have to get lots of exams done on your own and take them there (EKG, X-Rays,...)...not sure your about Br.

After you get cleared for the written test you will be allowed to fly and when you think you are ready (you really just need a day IFR and a night VFR flight) you can get the process for the ck ride going, it will take you couple weeks. Keep in mind that there are really few ME planes in Brazil. Not sure about other places but for Rio the tests are done at ANAC in Jacarepagua` (Gerência Regional da Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil)

Before you can even take the written the FAA has to tell ANAC that everything is ok with your certificates, which will take couple weeks...on top of the time you need to get all your papers in.

If you are really lucky you can get everything done in 3 months.
 
swisspilot said:
No problem, where are you heading in BR? I just moved to Sao Paulo from Rio last Sunday
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I'm usually in Curitiba. But I'm gonna be applying to all the airlines after I get my convertions completed. So hopefully I get to relocate to São Paulo, Campinas, or Campo Grande! :) I'm doing my ANAC convertion at the Aeroclube do Parana.
 
Brazilian_Pilot said:
Embraer07,

With your times you are going straight to TAM! Do you have a college degree?
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Yeah, a Bachelor's Degree from here in the U.S. I'll gladly take any of the major airlines there. I even like TRIP because they are based out of Belo Horizonte (where I am from and want to live). How is commuting as an airline pilot in Brazil anyway? As far as I know you can only get rides on your own company's planes right now.

Swiss: Thanks for all the information. You mentioned I need to get cleared for the written tests. How do I do that? Or do they clear me after they receive all my FAA information? The lack of mult-engine planes is a hurdle I knew I would have to jump over. Belo Horizonte for example has none that I know of so I will be going to RJ or SP for that ride.

This is what I mean. If it wern't for all these obstacles I would have had everything ready to go a long time ago. I don't understand why make us re-take all these exams and flight checks if we are already rated as Commercial pilots by the FAA or JAA.
 
embraer07 said:
Yeah, a Bachelor's Degree from here in the U.S. I'll gladly take any of the major airlines there. I even like TRIP because they are based out of Belo Horizonte (where I am from and want to live). How is commuting as an airline pilot in Brazil anyway? As far as I know you can only get rides on your own company's planes right now.
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I'm still in the US like you but I was down there for a month in december to talk to my friends who are flying and see it all for my self. As far as commuting goes there is no CASS agreement. I think TRIP and AZUL might have something but I'm not positive. I thought TRIP was based in Campo Grande. As far as twins we have 2 twins in curitiba! and Porto Alegre has some also. It's a lot quicker to get it all done in the south. The initial medical exam down here only takes a day as long as you bring all the required exams. Your CFI ratings will be worthless in Brasil :(
 
embraer07 said:
Yeah, a Bachelor's Degree from here in the U.S. I'll gladly take any of the major airlines there. I even like TRIP because they are based out of Belo Horizonte (where I am from and want to live). How is commuting as an airline pilot in Brazil anyway? As far as I know you can only get rides on your own company's planes right now.

Swiss: Thanks for all the information. You mentioned I need to get cleared for the written tests. How do I do that? Or do they clear me after they receive all my FAA information? The lack of mult-engine planes is a hurdle I knew I would have to jump over. Belo Horizonte for example has none that I know of so I will be going to RJ or SP for that ride.

This is what I mean. If it wern't for all these obstacles I would have had everything ready to go a long time ago. I don't understand why make us re-take all these exams and flight checks if we are already rated as Commercial pilots by the FAA or JAA.
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You can commute on all the airlines you want....most pilots live where the airline has a base, at my gf company, based in GRU, pilots live all over Brazil.

There is a twin (a piper Twin Comanche) in Juiz de Fora MG, about 2.5-3 hours from BH, on the way to Rio. It`s also one of the cheapest in Brasil...
 
swisspilot said:
Yes
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That's pretty awesome! Not that you'd want to live outside of Sampa though...

I know they are about a stone's throw from each other but what kind of service is there between Congonhas and Viracopos? Any quick flight or bus type shuttle?
 
elmetal said:
That's pretty awesome! Not that you'd want to live outside of Sampa though...

I know they are about a stone's throw from each other but what kind of service is there between Congonhas and Viracopos? Any quick flight or bus type shuttle?
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No, I don`t think anybody would waste a slot for a flight like that, Azul has buses to SP from Viracopos (they actually do operate one plane out of Congonhas to Porto Seguro BA), so does Passaredo from Leite Lopes. Azul is planning of using ATRs to connect most cities in SP. Man I spent the last week in Congonhas it`s crazy the traffic, lots of go around because planes were to close.
Maybe it would make sense with like a LET that can take off from 17L/35R while 17R/35L is in operation...

If you think there are still intl flights that land at Viracopos, there is a TAP flight and a ton of cargo (from Miami). In the past most flights to Sp would actually land in Campinas..
 
swisspilot said:
No, I don`t think anybody would waste a slot for a flight like that, Azul has buses to SP from Viracopos (they actually do operate one plane out of Congonhas to Porto Seguro BA), so does Passaredo from Leite Lopes. Azul is planning of using ATRs to connect most cities in SP. Man I spent the last week in Congonhas it`s crazy the traffic, lots of go around because planes were to close.
Maybe it would make sense with like a LET that can take off from 17L/35R while 17R/35L is in operation...

If you think there are still intl flights that land at Viracopos, there is a TAP flight and a ton of cargo (from Miami). In the past most flights to Sp would actually land in Campinas..
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Viracopos is getting bigger and bigger. I lived in Vinhedo (near Campinas) when I was a kid. That place was such a small town. I recently went back about 5 years ago and my god. it got at least 5 times bigger...

I was just wondering how reasonable of a commute getting to viracopos from sp would be. Driving is ok but hour and a half everyday would really be taxing on the pocket (gas)

Anyway this is all preliminary thinking on my part, I'll pM you with what I mean
 
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