Murder-Suicide

EatSleepFly

EatSleepFly

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http://www.wicu12.com/news/index.vnss?newsid=403

This is unbelievable. What a dumb selfish bastard this guy. This is no different than a murder-suicide, if you ask me. Just a different weapon used.

Apparently this guy didn't fuel in Niagara Falls (IAG) because it was too expensive, so he decided to fly over to Jamestown, NY (JHW) instead. Working backwards in time from the crash, he couldn't even have been legal to take off out of IAG to go to JHW, let alone ERI. IAG-JHW is about 30 min. in a Cherokee. JHW-ERI is only about 20.

So this knob flew out of his way and landed at JHW for fuel instead. Only the FBO at JHW was closed (but there IS an after hours # you can call, I've done it there and they show up within 15 min). Then, he gets on the phone there and calls the FBO at Erie and asks if they are open, and what their fuel price is (this is straight from the line guy that answered the phone). Unbelievable!!! He had hardly ANY fuel, yet he's worried about fuel prices. He then takes off out of JHW to go over to ERI for fuel, but runs out and crashes about 200 yards short of the runway, killing himself, his wife, and his brother-in-law. His sister is/was in critical condition.

This has been pissing me off all night. Too bad he's not alive to be prosecuted.
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RIP to the two innocent people he murdered.
 
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Too bad he's not alive to be prosecuted.

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Man, that is pissed. If it's any consolation the sentence he got means he never can do it again.
 
You gotta wonder about the priorities of someone who puts four people's lives at risk for about $20.
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A guy did the same thing here a week or so ago, fortunately nobody was hurt. He didn't want to buy the expensive gas at the departure airport, so he elected to take off and try to make it. He probably got 2/3 of the way before he called up tower at our airport asking if we had gas (it wasn't his destination). I think he got about 1/2 mile from the runway before going down in a swamp. There went his brand-new, uninsured Bonanza. The controller said if the guy had gone straight for the numbers instead of making a square base-final he probably would've made the runway.

Sometimes its worth it to just to pay a few extra dollars.
 
Watch your tone Marshall. You and I both know that every pilot does stupid things, if something dumb you do kills you and a passenger, I'm sure you don't want a note like that sent to you family and friends. Remember, karma is a bitch.

Alex (a friend of the "murderer").
 
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Watch your tone Marshall. You and I both know that every pilot does stupid things, if something dumb you do kills you and a passenger, I'm sure you don't want a note like that sent to you family and friends. Remember, karma is a bitch.

Alex (a friend of the "murderer").

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How about you watch your tone.

Seriously, if what the article said is true, then yes he got what was coming to him. He gambled with his life and lost. In the process, he killed others. Not cool.

The guy is an idiot, plain and simple.
 
but doing stupid things shouldn't kill you.. being a pilot, you absolutely cannot afford to be stupid.

if you want to be stupid, do it on your own time not someone else's precious time! heck, if it were me or doug (*knock on wood*) we'd expect to be rolling in our graves with waves of "what idiots! what were they thinking"

karma is only a bitch when you don't heed warning and learn from someone else's mistakes!

I feel for anyone that's closely connected to the pilot & his pax that lost their lives but to make money priority over personal safety when flying passengers moves to #1 on my "stupid dummyhead" list.
 
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Bad judgement is bad jugdement. Flying too close to a T-storm and killing you and a passeneger is no better than running out of fuel and killing youself and a passenger.

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How about you watch your tone.

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Insulting a dead friend of somebody is much worse than what I posted. As I said, he made a bad judgment and didn't survive to learn from it. Don't think that you are immune to making stupid errors, just pray yours don't turn out as poorly as his did.

On top of all of this, none of you know the circumstances at hand. What you are using is information that may very well be wrong, all of you know how the media is.

I will not post any more than I have for I am too close to the subject at hand, but to talk bad about the dead is not a smart move.
 
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Watch your tone Marshall. You and I both know that every pilot does stupid things, if something dumb you do kills you and a passenger, I'm sure you don't want a note like that sent to you family and friends. Remember, karma is a bitch.

Alex (a friend of the "murderer").

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Duuuuude do you know like everyone in aviation or something?

-Matthew
 
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I will not post any more than I have for I am too close to the subject at hand, but to talk bad about the dead is not a smart move.

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Eh...I can respect that but this crash isn't making major headlines like an A340 going down in a thunderstorm or something.
So deatils will be few and far between.
Without correct info you can only expect us to go by what we have read!

-Matthew
 
Sorry Alex, but come on. I will agree sometimes some pilots do stupid things. I've done things I probably shouldn't have, but there are different levels of stupid and this is the among the highest I've seen.

Normally I can look at an accident and stay emotionally distanced from it just like most pilots, but this one just lit me up thinking of the people killed in the crash because of such extremely poor decision making. This was flat-out negligence.

It is very unlikely he could have even departed with legal reserves whether it was day, night, VFR or IFR. Yet he didn't fuel in IAG. He had to nearly fly DIRECTLY OVER Buffalo (to get to JHW from IAG), where Prior Aviation has 24/7 service. He then landed at JHW, where he apparently didn't want to wait for after-hours service, so he flew even further out of his way to Erie.

Like I said Alex, I'm sorry you lost your friend, but he killed those people. Plain and simple. It should never have come to this. I guarantee you, if one of my friends did this, I'd be the first one standing up and calling them a dumbass.

How would you feel if one of your loved ones was on board, and was killed because this guy wanted to save maybe $.20 a gallon on fuel and passed up not one, not two, but THREE perfectly good opportunities to stop and fuel? Come on... He should've never even departed IAG in the first place that low on fuel.

Oh...and as for speaking ill of the dead- people do it all the time. I'm all about karma, but I don't think there's any lightning bolts headed my way for telling the truth. If there is, so be it.
 
Sounds like people never learn.

Back in 1980 a guy piled up his Saratoga short of the runway at Choteau, MT killing himself, 4 members of his family, left his son crippled for the rest of his life. The reason? He stopped in Great Falls, but decided their fuel was overpriced so he put in "just enough" to make it to Choteau.
Now if you've got the money to own a Saratoga what the hell does a few dollars more spent of fuel mean to you.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=30298&key=0#
 
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On top of all of this, none of you know the circumstances at hand. What you are using is information that may very well be wrong, all of you know how the media is.

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Oh come on. Unless the news left out the bit about a criminal holding a gun to his head and making him depart with almost no fuel there is no excuse. The odd million to one bit of info withheld by the news not withstanding the guy was being an idiot and he got people killed. Sorry if someone you know was also being an idiot and got himself and others killed, but people don’t learn from sugarcoating the reality of stupidity.

I have lost several friends in the climbing community to moments of overwhelming stupidity and risk taking. I was the first to say “WTF was that idiot thinking” and I made sure I learned from it. I was also quite glad they only killed themselves and not others.

I also sure as hec make mistakes and it could be me that screws up big some day, but I guarantee you it will not be an act of obvious negligence.
 
Alex, I have had some wonderful friends that have been freaking stupid and killed themselves in airplanes.

Remember that.
 
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Flying too close to a T-storm and killing you and a passeneger is no better than running out of fuel and killing youself and a passenger.


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It may not be any better but there is a world of •ing difference between the two.

Weather is a tricky situation and no matter what your experience level with it it can always reach out and bite you.

But to leave the ground - after having safely getting back on it - WITHOUT fuel FOR ANY REASON is the highest order of stupidity on earth. Plain. Simple. And the ugly truth. There is NO reason at all, ever to take off without fuel. None. I'm sorry he was a friend but he gambled on a STUPID bet and unfortunately lost. My question is how many other times did he pull similiar stunts and get away with it?
 
The thing that gets me is that we're talking what, maybe $20-30 tops if you fill the tanks all the way up?

Now, maybe someone's going to flame me and say well, that's because you've never been poor, but I'll say it.

I'd gladly spend that little amount of money to take off with a safe amount of fuel.

My life is worth more.

If I ever get to a point where $20 or $30 is going to make me consider flying dangerously, I ain't gonna be flying for a while.
 
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