Multi-Enginge Rating vs Multi-Engine Commercial

futurepilot1

futurepilot1

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Hey guys(and gals)
Question about multi-engine rating vs multi-engine commercial

i have been reading over the FAR-AIM
The requirements for the rating vs the commercial license are very similar. It seems that if you think ahead when you are getting your ME rating, you could cover alot of the Commercial requirements as well and save time. Is this the case? Or do you have to re-do all the requiements when you get the commercial license.
 
If I recall the only difference is the steep turns are at 50* for the CMEL and the private add on they are 45*
 
The key to this is which rating is your inital for the certificate. Wether it is Private or Commercial, the time requirements spelled out only apply to the first one. After that you just have to pass the checkride. So if you want your multi engine as your initial commercial rating you will have to meet all of the time requirements, and yes you could do some of them when getting a Multi-engine add on rating to your private. You don't actually ever have to do the Multi private in the first place, although you cannot log PIC time until you have.

Now the other option is to do a Commercial SEL in which you could meet all o the time requirements (Cross County, etc...) pretty easily while you are time building between ratings, or anytime in between, adn then there would be no time requirements for the Multi and you would just do checkride prep. If you did this then you would have to do the Comm SEL in a complex airplane, or at least show proficiency, wheras if you went the MEL first you could do your Comm SEL in anything (172, Warrior,etc...)

I hope this somewhat answers your question
 
futurepilot1 said:
The requirements for the rating vs the commercial license are very similar.
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I'm a little confused by your question, but if you're talking about the ME private vs a Commercial ME, you need to keep in mind that if you do these ratings as add-ons to your either your private or commercial certificates, as most people do, the training time requirements listed do not apply. Also, there is usually no need or advantage to getting a ME add-on to your private, so most people don't do this.
 
Not sure if this helps, but when I did my multi stuff in 2007, I did the multi private, multi instrument, and multi commercial all in a few days. One checkride. It was a LOT to do in a few days, but very doable. The 'ONE checkride' was the best part.
 
I was thinking more of the lines of the check ride. If you have your CSEL then you will not have to do the X-Cs for the multi comm
 
That all makes sense. I was just confused. i was under the impression that you HAD to get the private, THEN the instrument, and if your end goal was a ME Commercial you HAD to get your SE Commercial first and that you HAD to get your ME add-on before you could get the ME commercial.

From what you are all saying, it sounds like once I get my Private and my instrument, I could go straight to the ME-Commercial (once I did some time building)

Another question, does a Commercial ME also let you fly Single Engine planes commercially?

Thanks
 
take a look at the PTS and is describes what you need to complete during your practical test (checkride). It's a whole lot less then the initial comm.

I did my CMEL add on after my CSEL

The checkride was normal take off climb out normal, steep turns, slow flight, stalls POn/Off, VMC demo, Critical Engine out proc and restart then back to the airport for an ILS to touch n go and then another ILS single engine to full stop. I had an engine failure on rollout on of those take offs too.
 
futurepilot1 said:
Another question, does a Commercial ME also let you fly Single Engine planes commercially?

Thanks
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No it's a different rating

So if you had that your license will say

Commerical multi engine

Private Single Engine

Schools like ATP do it this way, where you would then instead of getting the Comm Multi added on you would get the Comm Single add on.
 
Sounds to me like the best course of action is to get my Private SE, then my Instrument, then my SE commercial, then add-on my ME commercial.

Thanks for the info
 
its definitely the cheaper way and the way most of my pilot friends did it.
 
It's cheaper to do everything single engine, but aiming for the goal of 1000+ hours of which 100+ are multi, you can argue it's better to get your multi earlier, sure you can still timebuild in a single engine, but you'll end up with more multi time and possibly better flying experience starting the multi earlier - in the end I guess it all evens out, but you have to pay for some multi somewhere along the line.

Comm Multi, Inst Multi and Pvt multi cannot all be one checkride. I've looked into this and it appears you could do comm multi and demonstrate IFR priviledges (rather than do comm multi vfr and then Inst. multi), that would still count as 2 checkrides even if it was able to be arranged as 'one' flight.

Alex.
 
So i'm about to get my Comm single, and have done my instrument and private in a single. I will then do the multi-add on for the comm. Is there a separate rating and checkride for mutli-instrument? Or does the instrument for my private cover both?
 
CFIT99 said:
No it's a different rating

So if you had that your license will say

Commerical multi engine

Private Single Engine

Schools like ATP do it this way, where you would then instead of getting the Comm Multi added on you would get the Comm Single add on.
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Technically, it would say Commercial: Multi Engine Land, unless of course you pass the MES checkride. Same thing with the single engine land. In theory, you could get the DPE to agree to do both checkrides at the same time, if your airplane is so equipped.
 
deek said:
So i'm about to get my Comm single, and have done my instrument and private in a single. I will then do the multi-add on for the comm. Is there a separate rating and checkride for mutli-instrument? Or does the instrument for my private cover both?
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You will need to demonstrate instrument proficiency during your multiengine add-on checkride, in order to receive instrument privileges for the twin. Otherwise you will receive a ME VFR-only restriction until you take an additional checkride to get the restriction lifted.

Everyone I know opts for the instrument part on the add-on ride, since it usually just consists of a two-engine and single-engine approach.
 
PA44-LUV said:
You will need to demonstrate instrument proficiency during your multiengine add-on checkride, in order to receive instrument privileges for the twin. Otherwise you will receive a ME VFR-only restriction until you take an additional checkride to get the restriction lifted.

Everyone I know opts for the instrument part on the add-on ride, since it usually just consists of a two-engine and single-engine approach.
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i should have clarified that, thank you
 
tgrayson said:
I'm a little confused by your question, but if you're talking about the ME private vs a Commercial ME, you need to keep in mind that if you do these ratings as add-ons to your either your private or commercial certificates, as most people do, the training time requirements listed do not apply. this.
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If I have a Commercial Certificate, Glider, with Private Privileges Instrument Airplane, what does a Comm. Multi add-on involve? I was under the impression it would be the same as any initial Commercial Multi ride with respect to time requirements.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
If I have a Commercial Certificate, Glider, with Private Privileges Instrument Airplane, what does a Comm. Multi add-on involve? I was under the impression it would be the same as any initial Commercial Multi ride with respect to time requirements.
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Most people add a ME as an additional class rating; you'd be adding an additional category rating and you're right, that's not any different. You're subject to 61.63(b), but the class ratings are 61.63(c).
 
I did my Multi-Commercial first. All of my time building for the commercial was done in Cessna 152s. I didn't start flyng a twin until I was ready to start training for my ME commercial. I have a grand total of 24.7 hrs ME.

I did the SE commercial in a Cessna 152 since I already met the complex requirement. The Commercial maneuvers were a breeze in the 152.
 
tgrayson said:
Also, there is usually no need or advantage to getting a ME add-on to your private, so most people don't do this.
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Just to toss this out there, apologies if it was already said, I only skimmed the post. Some people get their private ME if they are intending to get their commercial anyway. The reason being, when you go for your commercial ME you can log all the multi time as PIC if you had already gotten the add on during your private. It isn't much, but an extra 10 hours towards your multi PIC to apply for jobs.

That was why some people took the multi elective at my college at least, to log PIC for their commercial course.
 
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