Multi-Engine Time Building

[JOEFRIDAY2]

How about $2000 for an MEI rating then get paid to build that 280 hours of multi time, and have your self respect at the end of the day?

Well let's look at this. Not sure exactly where to get an MEI rating for $2000, but what the heck let's give it a try an keep the BS going for a while longer.

So coming out of MEI training with a fresh 20 hours of multi time (for $2000????????) , the newly minted MEI would now have an insurance problem with instructing multi engine students, but he would have 20 multi hours! (and a lot of self confidence) Now only 230 more hours to go. How much is that insurance going to cost to keep this thing going?

Of course since students don't really get much multi time these days, and most do multi add ons because that is what makes sense, it might take several years to get to the 250 multi number. But in the meantime, the flight instructor can work 14 hour days and get paid for 2 of them.

I've noticed that the least used plane at a flight school is either the multi engine or the RG plane. Why is that? Could it possibly be the big bad insurance company again?

But the great part is that the MEI's flight school now makes money off of his labor and the rental of the plane. You know the same flight school that often charged thousands of dollars to the very same guy to get his CFI and MEI. This way the cycle can continue.

The insurance company makes thousands of dollars on the deal as well.

But hey, this is the system you guys are recommending so who would dare think to do it a different way?

Joe

 

[JOEFRIDAY2]

I'm telling you the pilots I flew with that all had prior GIA experience (some did from ground-up, and some came in from other schools and paid to be FOs) were poor performers in comparison to other pilots.

I really don't care where an individual did their training. You can either perform, or you can't. Looking at the performance from an overall perspective, as a whole, they were pretty poor performers.

This was judged in day-to-day line operations in Florida. I definitely would have expected a much better overall performance from individuals who had so much turboprop and line experience. They were out performed by individuals with NO turboprop or 121/135 time on a consistent basis.

Gulfstream has not accepted pilots into their program that did not already have their Commercial Multi Ticket since 2004. That's at least 6 years ago. The program has obviously changed. Maybe they changed it because training zero hour pilots was not working out. If you have a problem with today's Gulfstream pilots, then you need to find out who trained them and who issued their certificates. It wasn't Gulfstream.

Your experience must be from many, many years ago when Gulfstream had a different program and different management.

If you read Gulfstreams latest 10Q, you will see that they are losing money. So this isn't the huge cash cow that some have made it out to be. Frankly I don't see how they will be able to continue this program, for the price they are charging, on a go forward basis unless this place starts to make money. Most regionals are making money now. This is one that isn't.

Joe

 

[tjvpa28]

Well let's look at this. Not sure exactly where to get an MEI rating for $2000, but what the heck let's give it a try an keep the BS going for a while longer.

So coming out of MEI training with a fresh 20 hours of multi time (for $2000????????) , the newly minted MEI would now have an insurance problem with instructing multi engine students, but he would have 20 multi hours! (and a lot of self confidence) Now only 230 more hours to go. How much is that insurance going to cost to keep this thing going?

Of course since students don't really get much multi time these days, and most do multi add ons because that is what makes sense, it might take several years to get to the 250 multi number. But in the meantime, the flight instructor can work 14 hour days and get paid for 2 of them.

I've noticed that the least used plane at a flight school is either the multi engine or the RG plane. Why is that? Could it possibly be the big bad insurance company again?

But the great part is that the MEI's flight school now makes money off of his labor and the rental of the plane. You know the same flight school that often charged thousands of dollars to the very same guy to get his CFI and MEI. This way the cycle can continue.

The insurance company makes thousands of dollars on the deal as well.

But hey, this is the system you guys are recommending so who would dare think to do it a different way?

Joe

Are you just making things up as you go along? Adding a multi engine rating to my commerical certificate costed $3000, and my MEI right around $2200. I have no idea what insurance problem you are talking about, the flight school I work for pays for that. It took me about 6 months to go from 20 hours of multi when I passed my MEI checkride to 250 total multi. My flight school is fairly busy. Even if it did take years, which it should to get to the right seat of an airline, I would be ok with that. I've been instructing for 2 years, I'm still not at an airline and that's fine. I would like all the experience I can get before moving on. Self confidence should be something gained before going to the 121 world, not when you get there. By the time a pilot gets to that level they should have some PIC experience, something that Gulfstream doesn't provide. I've never worked 1 hour more than I've been paid for, and I don't know any instructor who has. Our dutchess flies almost every day. Again, I am unaware of any insurance issues. Of course the flight school makes money off the CFI's labor and rental of the plane...what business doesn't make money when its employees work? What does that even have to do with anything? Yes you have to pay for your ratings, just like you pay tuition to go to college. You don't graduate from college then pay your employer to train you for the job. Paying a flight school for your CFI ratings then working for them is not akin to Gulfstream. You seem to be looking at things from the worst possible perspective. But by all means keep the BS coming, if nothing else it's hlilarious.