Multi-Engine Cheap

PLANECOOK

PLANECOOK

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Anyone know where I can get a cheap multi engine commercial add-on. Also, a guys was telling me to go with a company that guarantees the rating and has no flight time requirement. Has anyone every heard of this?
 
It is the one in Flying Magazine......"Texas Multi Engine, no flight time limit"

Its $1295...and they are legit!!!
 
How do you know they are legit and what kind of twin do you train in for 1295 buck with no flight time limit. I mean most twin are around 200-250 an hour. Im guessing the flight time limit is for the instructor rate not the airplane.LOL
 
Regarding some of the people that have trained there, you are typically given 6 hours of flight time, then off to the checkride.

And yes, it is rushed training.
 
Has anybody ever done the one in CT, I was thinking about doing it. Id just like a first hand experience at how it is. Thanks.
 
cfii2007 said:
Regarding some of the people that have trained there, you are typically given 6 hours of flight time, then off to the checkride.

And yes, it is rushed training.
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I'm one of those people that trained there... Got my multi comm add-on (with instrument priveleges) in June. They are legit... You have to work your butt off while you're out there, but they've got a pretty good system in place and they've been doing this a long time. They'll get you done in a few hours. I did see a PP multi add on that took considerably longer, but they just do whatever it takes. The price is for the airplane, instructor, and all materials. The only thing extra is the examiner fee (around $425 I think).

The training is done in BE-95s (Beech Travelair). Here's the number: 817-557-4004. They're nice people too.
 
PLANECOOK said:
How do you know they are legit and what kind of twin do you train in for 1295 buck with no flight time limit.
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You're misunderstanding the meaning of no time limit as it applies to these fixed price multi mills. When they say no time limit, what they really mean is no time minimum. An accurate way to describe their methods would be to say, if we can have you farting your way down an ILS on one engine without killing yourself by this afternoon (and we will), you're going to leave here with a multi cert by noon tomorrow. Whether or not you can still fart your way down an ILS on one engine by yourself next week or next month is not our problem. If you need a mulit cheap and quick with practically no training involved, those are the places to do it.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
You're misunderstanding the meaning of no time limit as it applies to these fixed price multi mills. When they say no time limit, what they really mean is no time minimum. An accurate way to describe their methods would be to say, if we can have you farting your way down an ILS on one engine without killing yourself by this afternoon (and we will), you're going to leave here with a multi cert by noon tomorrow. Whether or not you can still fart your way down an ILS on one engine by yourself next week or next month is not our problem. If you need a mulit cheap and quick with practically no training involved, those are the places to do it.
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Regardless if you get your rating done in 5 hrs or 15, you're still not going to be a proficient ME pilot. Is there any rating or certificate that after receiving you felt like really top notch? I know I haven't. Safe if you are conservative? Yes. Experienced and proficient? No.

BTW, when I got my "pilot mill" mutil rating, the FAA was sitting in on my checkride as the examiner had to get his annual recurrency or whatever. The Fed said he was impressed with the training.
 
I'm not knocking it. I'm just saying it is what it is. You're right, I never felt top notch after any checkride. But I did feel proficient and competent to fly instruments both immediately after my instrument ride and 3 months later. I felt neither after my multi ride and if I had gotten into a twin 3 months later, I would've remembered very little from my 1-1/2 days of cram session training. Of course with 6 multi hours in my book and about 4 real hours in the plane (the CFI and examiner were both liberal with their logbook pens), no one would've let me anywhere near a twin by myself at that point.

It's now been about 6 years since my multi checkride. I've never logged another hour in a twin and I can say that the only thing I remember about flying twins is the #### ME memory aid for engine outs. But they didn't teach me that at the school, I learned it on the 'net a few years ago. IOW, what I have to show for my $1500 multi rating is a certificate in my pocket and absolutely no retention of any of the training I recieved. OTOH, I haven't been instrument current since right around the same time I took the multi ride. But if I had to get current today, I'd remember quite a bit about how instruments are flown. Again, I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying it is what it is. And as training goes, it's the absolute minimum you can do and walk out with a cert in your pocket.

If I had it to do over I would probably do it the same way, but I would go in knowing I was going come out with a cert I didn't earn and only slighty more qualified to fly twins than I was when I went in.
 
I remember getting my Multi rating. I did mine in a BE-95 Travel Air. If you have the opportuniy to get your multi in a BE-95, I recommend it. Its not a over powerful airplane for someone just learning multi operations and it gives you a better sense of the yaw effect you will encounter should you lose the critical engine. Im not in anyway putting down other training aircraft such as a Duchess or seminole, I just believe that the travel air is a great airplane to start in.
 
Lots of good suggestions here. I will personally recommend Skymates in Arlington, TX. I did my training there a couple of years ago. Great people and instruction. Not sure what they're charging these days for a multi-rating though.
 
Its $1795 here at Skymates for 4.5 hours + the aircraft for the checkride. Not guaranteed. If it takes you longer, then you have to pay extra.
 
There's a place in Houston call dutchwingsflightschool that offers a multi rating (10 hrs) either private or commercial...

Multi-Engine Package
Piper Seneca I 10 Hours Aircraft
10 Hours Instruction
$1850.00
I did their commercial package for $1170, and it is legit, down to the "t".
 
I know this is going to be a buzzkill for you, but did you know that there are more pilots killed in a multi-engine failure on take-off than in a single-engine failure on take-off?

Even the death statistics won't make the Feds put a minimum time limit on this rating.

So don't even think that safety has anything to do with federal minimum training requirements. It's all politics.
 
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