Move over, cowboy...

Brand X said:
All you have to do is get on the horn with your dispatcher and get an amended release stating that the chief pilot is now the captain on that flight. Simple as that and perfectly legal.
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Ahem. What you say is so unbelievably illegal I can't believe you even wrote it.
 
Brand X said:
Do you ask your captain if he's current when you show for a flight?
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YES! At my airline the dispatch release has the names of the crewmembers for that leg and the times they are legal for. I have received releases that show incorrect times and thus we are not legal to go until the matter is resolved.

So yes, when we show for a flight we don't just assume the other person is current and legal. It is on the paperwork. If it isn't the plane doesn't move.
 
When he asked what the problem was I would have told him the same thing I said in the PA: the weather is below minimums and we are diverting. Switching crews midflight is not something I would allow as PIC, unless of course a medical need or some unusual safety issue forced it.

And to be honest (and admittedly selfish), I wouldn't even want him to take over the subsequent flight from XYZ to ABC, because at my airline they only pay us 50% for deadheading. I have bills to pay! Scheduling would have to notify me that I was being relieved, although maybe I would make an exception because it was the last day of the trip...
 
Of course I'd let him. Who give a crap? Unless you think (or he admits) that he's been drinking, why would you care? I don't have an ego affected by something like this. It can't be humiliating, you are high mins. It's not your fault. Besides, who is going to get you in trouble? The CP is the only guy who will fire you and it's his idea.

Look, flying is not magic. It's not special. You are a heavy equipment operator. That's it. Get over yourselves.
 
Mike734 said:
I don't have an ego affected by something like this. It can't be humiliating, you are high mins.
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Even if you have to go sit with the pax and explain why a guy in street clothes just took your place? You are a tougher man than most.

I agree with ljg, if done right this could have been a good exercise in CRM. Unfortunately, it happened in front of pax, and not in the privacy of a sealed flight deck. It rattled far more nerves than it was probably worth.

And for the record, the amended release was perfectly legal.
 
Tell him he "Son you need to step away from my sector and try another vector, theres no access for you in this quadrant".
 
This whole thread has been nuts... please tell me this crap rarely happens... if I was that captain and I got relieved like that infront of the pax - I would have crapped my self.
 
skycowboy said:
This whole thread has been nuts... please tell me this crap rarely happens... if I was that captain and I got relieved like that infront of the pax - I would have crapped my self.
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Why on earth would you care? I mean really, it's just a job. You put in some time in a loud pressurized tube and you get paid. I'd just be happy to get home.
 
Mike734 said:
Of course I'd let him. Who give a crap? Unless you think (or he admits) that he's been drinking, why would you care? I don't have an ego affected by something like this. It can't be humiliating, you are high mins. It's not your fault. Besides, who is going to get you in trouble? The CP is the only guy who will fire you and it's his idea.

Look, flying is not magic. It's not special. You are a heavy equipment operator. That's it. Get over yourselves.
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bvll#####, plain and simple, if I am assigned PIC, then I won't relinquish that duty until we land, at the destination or otherwise. It's not about pride, or ego, it's about making sure the flight is completed safely. Can the CP land the aircraft with his high mins, and save the day? Probably, but this is about professionalism, pure and simple. Going to "relieve" the PIC of his command during the middle of a flight is unprofessional, and the PAX know it. What are the passengers going to think on this flight? Hijacking? or worse for business "that the pilot flying the airplane for the majority of the flight couldn't land the thing." If I saw a similar circumstance while riding on an airline, I would never fly that airline again. It's rediculous.

If the wx was crappier than 300, and probably 2 or 3, is this really the time to be shuffling crew arround? Whether in the hold with the auto pilot coupled up or not, that was dangerous.

That being said, maybe I could see him relieving the FO, and flying the approach as PF, and the captain being PNF, but regardless, this is rediculous.

Totally unprofessional, totally uncool.

If anyone in this scenario has to get overthemselves, its a CP who thinks that he can just barge in and take command. If he really was worried about it, he should have arranged to captain that flight, his the chief pilot, he can do that.

-Pat
 
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