Most junior NYC MD88 captain...

TomcatG said:
I hate it when a thread drifts when I read one, so my apologies to contributing to the thread drift.

Back on topic, we all know that NYC is a expensive place to live and probably long reserves for a newbie Captain on the MD-88 so that is why it is so junior. So to make it a fair comparison, can we look at other bases for the MD-88 so we can see how big of a difference, in seniority, is the most junior captain? What about comparing against other fleet types? If any of this is proprietary information, then don't worry about it.
Click to expand...

Here you go...

Junior CA's on the 88/717 in NYC/ATL
ATL M88 #10,118 (9/2007 hire)
ATL 717 #9609 (7/2001 hire)
NYC M88 #11,083 (2/2007 hire)
NYC 717 #10,776 (4/2008 hire)

Keep in mind there were hiring gaps in there so you can't look at the date of hire by itself. While NYC M88 is an obvious outlier I think you'll see more and more Capts in the 9-10k's in the future. When the E190s come the Captain seat on it is going to go WAY down the list.
 
surreal1221 said:
I know YOU know this and I have to trust that @Seggy knows this as well...

It's not as simple as walking down Virginia Avenue, taking a right at International Blvd, waiting for the light to change and then crossing Loop Rd onto Delta Blvd, walking past the guard house and then proclaiming with such passion "Okay, I'm here...where's the Uniform, Hat, and Wings!?"

A lot of folks who say the things some of you are mocking are genuinely not prepared to make the change. It could be they haven't showered in five years, updated the logbook since they upgraded with only 1 year under their belts as an FO, or no higher education, or any other number of elements that the coveted Mainline Gods wish to see.

I suppose my final point is that I'm perfectly happy with the senior Regional Captains giving their excuses for not leaving as it means one less person I have to compete with. The downside is that as a nearly topped out RJ FO, my movement at my current shop is nearly nonexistent. I can deal with neutral movement here while I prepare for interviews at places where it's a two year upgrade to Captain, at a "career" Company.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I'll drink to that.

I used to get bent out of shape, but then I realized that it's just less competition for the people with the thirst and drive to get that highest piece of fruit on the tree.

Some of us are happy with a four ounce can of fruit cocktail in syrup. Some of us want that sweet, sweet deliciously ripe mango.
 
Derg said:
I'll drink to that.

I used to get bent out of shape, but then I realized that it's just less competition for the people with the thirst and drive to get that highest piece of fruit on the tree.

Some of us are happy with a four ounce can of fruit cocktail in syrup. Some of us want that sweet, sweet deliciously ripe mango.
Click to expand...

Exactly.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Derg said:
"I got Chris'muss awf, weekends awf, I can't afford to go to mainline, LOL. I'll just wait until they acquire us because of the shortage and give us DOH. Like muh epaulet sweater?"
Click to expand...

I understand the thinking that Epaulet sweaters look dorky, but if a pilot is flying the Northeast(or Minot) and would like/need to wear a sweater, and the company requires you to wear Epaulets, how would you wear a sweater and be compliant without wearing an Epaulet sweater?

Also, I know the airlines have finally been doing good for a day or so, but I don't agree with coming on the interwebz to berate and make fun of people for where they are in the food chain. Maybe that regional pilot is working on growing a business so he/she can do that full time and the job hunt, interview, and resultant move to a crashpad would simply be an unwelcome distraction. And/or they seek their sharkly challenges outside of pushing an MD88 around the system. And/or they really are wealthy and just riding it out. Either way...the judgement and condescension is uncalled for.

Rick Drury(retired Fedex and probably my favorite aviation author) wrote an awesome article in the back of Airways magazine about how some of the Pan Am pilots would look down on those lowly Flying Tigers pilots. That is, until the fateful day when they showed up begging the Flying Tigers pilots for rides home. 'Pride precedeth the fall' was the saying he used.
 
If I can gross $450K as a regional CA with a side business, should you still be chasing the majors? Granted the regionals can be a case of musical chairs, but life is also filled with a lot of unknowns.
 
Kingairer said:
Atlas is no doubt a huge step up, but it's a considerably different life then that of a regional FO, it may not be for everyone.
Click to expand...
In my short time at Atlas, 767 guys who live in CVG can still have that regional life style. @dasleben would know better than me but I talk to a lot of CVG guys that spent a lot of time in their own beds.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Is that mostly domestic trips, or a good mix of international too?
Click to expand...
I really don't have a large enough sample to answer the question. The CVG 767 bid lines seem to be all over the place. We have 30 and 60 day lines. Some are mix lines with domestic and international trips some are just one or the other. We have reserve lines(airport and hotel) and we have hybrid lines a mix of known flying and reserve. As far as I can tell most guys bid days on/off and not trips.
 
Derg said:
I'll drink to that.

I used to get bent out of shape, but then I realized that it's just less competition for the people with the thirst and drive to get that highest piece of fruit on the tree.

Some of us are happy with a four ounce can of fruit cocktail in syrup. Some of us want that sweet, sweet deliciously ripe mango.
Click to expand...

I think Judge Smails said it better in Caddyshack. "Well the world needs ditch diggers too."
 
z987k said:
If you can gross 450k as a regional capt with a side business, you should just stick to that side business. Buy an airplane.
Click to expand...

I agree with this but I would also add that the individual would still be better off leaving. He would make more money and likely have more time off as a 2nd year FO than a senior RJ captain would. He would also have better retirement and healthcare options...not to mention a better safety net if the side business dries up.
 
Louie1975 said:
I understand the thinking that Epaulet sweaters look dorky, but if a pilot is flying the Northeast(or Minot) and would like/need to wear a sweater, and the company requires you to wear Epaulets, how would you wear a sweater and be compliant without wearing an Epaulet sweater?

Also, I know the airlines have finally been doing good for a day or so, but I don't agree with coming on the interwebz to berate and make fun of people for where they are in the food chain. Maybe that regional pilot is working on growing a business so he/she can do that full time and the job hunt, interview, and resultant move to a crashpad would simply be an unwelcome distraction. And/or they seek their sharkly challenges outside of pushing an MD88 around the system. And/or they really are wealthy and just riding it out. Either way...the judgement and condescension is uncalled for.

Rick Drury(retired Fedex and probably my favorite aviation author) wrote an awesome article in the back of Airways magazine about how some of the Pan Am pilots would look down on those lowly Flying Tigers pilots. That is, until the fateful day when they showed up begging the Flying Tigers pilots for rides home. 'Pride precedeth the fall' was the saying he used.
Click to expand...

You're taking it far, far too seriously.
 
Vector said:
If I can gross $450K as a regional CA with a side business, should you still be chasing the majors? Granted the regionals can be a case of musical chairs, but life is also filled with a lot of unknowns.
Click to expand...

If you're a regional captain with a side business, you can probably make a trillion dollars a year, drive your coworkers nuts with stories of how cool you are apart from aviation and, well, be working so much you don't have a chance to enjoy any of it! :)

The first question I always wondered when, in the first few minutes of a briefing, when another pilot says how much money his side business makes is "How bad is your P&L statement that you're showing up at 0500 in the morning to go fly the Clampletts to Orlando and have a nine hour layover in Baton Rouge?"
 
Derg said:
You're taking it far, far too seriously.
Click to expand...

"I expect to see epaulets on your coat mister!"

Something like this would be appropriate for us:

T_05-11-14__Japanese_Navy_Shoulderboards_and_Cap_cased_____-07.JPG


Not Seggy though. Those guys don't rate yet. :stir:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top