MOSAIC

[ahw01]

Honestly, I'm a little skeptical. When Light Sport was first put forth, it was supposed to "Save GA" with low cost aircraft. What everyone immediately did is figure out there's no money in the low end, so everything you saw was completely tweaked out with the latest glass and whiz bang and charged maximum dollars.

Not sure if this will be any different.

$500/hr for a Lockwood aircam is criminal

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Honestly, I'm a little skeptical. When Light Sport was first put forth, it was supposed to "Save GA" with low cost aircraft. What everyone immediately did is figure out there's no money in the low end, so everything you saw was completely tweaked out with the latest glass and whiz bang and charged maximum dollars.

Not sure if this will be any different.

In terms of the aircraft certification piece, what it ends up doing is creating a level between experimental and full Part 23 certification. That doesn’t necessarily mean “cheaper,” but it can lead to innovation. Dynon’s excellent panel started in the experimental/LSA world and expanded to certified aircraft later. I think that’s also true of the Garmin G5 and G3X. That RV10 panel I posted earlier? Those are the experimental/LSA versions of the G3X, with a few more user-selectable configuration options and a price tag about $4,000 less for each unit than the fully certified version.

Panacea? The savior? Of course not. But when I look at the modern LSAs I’ve flown, the type of innovation I’ve seen ported to the certified world, they are impressive and I think the expansion of what they can do under MOSAIC good for aviation in general, not just. GA.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

Honestly, I'm a little skeptical. When Light Sport was first put forth, it was supposed to "Save GA" with low cost aircraft. What everyone immediately did is figure out there's no money in the low end, so everything you saw was completely tweaked out with the latest glass and whiz bang and charged maximum dollars.

Not sure if this will be any different.

At the end of the day, the market is always correct.

There was a window of opportunity but nobody could build a $100k aircraft. Cessna had a thousand 162 orders at the $100k price point. When the price increased to $150k with a four year wait, the 162 was dead. At this time you could get a nice mid-time 152 for $25k.

With regards to demand, a couple thousand 162’s in the market would have killed demand for additional 162’s or anything else.

What was shocking was the exclusion of 150, 152, and Tomahawk’s from LSA.

Also, Sport Pilot wasn’t a cert that serious amateurs and or aviation career path folks had any interest in.

There were some other factors, as well. Ultralight aviation was booming in the 90’s. Everybody thought that ultralight manufacturers would step up and build $50k LSA’s. However, a decade into the 2000’s, the ultralight industry had collapsed and couldn’t sell $30k ultralights.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

At the end of the day, the market is always correct.

Let’s just say the market always prevails, correct or not.

 

[CFI A&P]

$500/hr for a Lockwood aircam is criminal

True, but it is on par with other multi-engine sea prices and I bet insurance makes up most of the rental price.

In case anyone was looking, there is an Aircam in Sebring, FL for training.

Airplane Multi-Engine Sea (AMES) Rating Training | Sebring Aviation

Let Sebring Aviation help you add an Airplane Multi-Engine Sea (AMES) rating to an existing Private or Commercial Pilot certificate.

www.sebring-aviation.com

 

[arkavgal]

So long as you were ultimately found eligible, and it was not revoked (or an associated SI withdrawn), you are eligible.

Many people have added the word “deferred” to the reg, but it’s not there. The wording says

“Have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class airman medical certificate at the time of his or her most recent application (if the person has applied for a medical certificate)”

I suspect that those saying deferred but ultimately issued is no good, are reading “at the time .. of application” as a one-time event that is complete when you leave the AME’s office, rather than a process that can result in either issuance or denial.

That's really helpful. Thank you. I wish lived close to a gliding club. I think gliding would be sublime.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

Let’s just say the market always prevails, correct or not.

The market describes everything, so it can’t really prevail. It can’t be correct or incorrect, it just exists. We do our best to understand the market but we can’t identify all the variables, let understand them all.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

The market describes everything, so it can’t really prevail. It can’t be correct or incorrect, it just exists. We do our best to understand the market but we can’t identify all the variables, let understand them all.

I’ll go along with that.