ticket2ride
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There are a lot of news reports about a missing Kam Air 737 that couldn't land in Kabul due to a snow storm. This is where the journalism ends and irresponsible reporting begins.
Missing 737 from Afghanistan: Conflicting Reports
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VampyreGTX
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Wreckage was found... no word on survivors.
VampyreGTX
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Actually, now they are saying the wreckage was not located and the search was suspended due to darkness.
flyover
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Re: Missing 737 from Afghanistan: Conflicting Rep
James Taranto's take on it from
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/
What Would We Do Without Officials?
"Missing Afghan Plane May Have Crashed, Official Says"--headline, Reuters, Feb. 4
Reuters
James Taranto's take on it from
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/
What Would We Do Without Officials?
"Missing Afghan Plane May Have Crashed, Official Says"--headline, Reuters, Feb. 4
Reuters
ticket2ride
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I wonder if any orbiting or geostationary satellites are picking up an ELT beacon.
I wonder if any orbiting or geostationary satellites are picking up an ELT beacon.
ticket2ride
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I think this is the craft. Was registered with Nordair then Taca and now Phoenix Aviation out of UAE and leased to Kam Air.
c/n Type Registrations
22075 737-242 C-GNDR N238TA EX-037
I think this is the craft. Was registered with Nordair then Taca and now Phoenix Aviation out of UAE and leased to Kam Air.
c/n Type Registrations
22075 737-242 C-GNDR N238TA EX-037
Re: Missing 737 from Afghanistan: Conflicting Rep
When I was flying out of Afghanistan, Kabul Intl didn't have any instrument approaches, at least none that were military compatible; and it was a military field. At that time, the main aircraft operating out of there was the French Air Force Mirage fighter contingent for day-only ops. Wonder why the 737 didn't take a divert into Bagram Airbase, about 45 miles northeast? Good IFR field.
When I was flying out of Afghanistan, Kabul Intl didn't have any instrument approaches, at least none that were military compatible; and it was a military field. At that time, the main aircraft operating out of there was the French Air Force Mirage fighter contingent for day-only ops. Wonder why the 737 didn't take a divert into Bagram Airbase, about 45 miles northeast? Good IFR field.
C650CPT
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Kabul is a Day VFR Only field ( according to my Military pubs ), Bagram is a Radar facility. I spent an afternoon talking with the controlers ( Civilian Contractors ), at Bagram and one of their complaints is that Kabul wanted to control thier airpsace as if they had radar, they would assign headings and altitudes to departing aircraft. They also wanted to claim class D to FL250. Afghanistan is suppose to go IFR this April, but there are alot of players up there that don't play by any rules and they just trust dumb luck to keep themselves alive. Ironically the radar box for Bagram is called the coffin as that is what is resembles and what you'll end up in if you don't pay attention. There are Nasty hills up there. When I fly up there is its less than VFR I stay at a safe altitude untill within 50nm and get under positive Radar Control. The controllers at Bagram can talk you down to a 200' PAR, it is a slam dunk because of the steep terain gradiant.
Jim
Kabul is a Day VFR Only field ( according to my Military pubs ), Bagram is a Radar facility. I spent an afternoon talking with the controlers ( Civilian Contractors ), at Bagram and one of their complaints is that Kabul wanted to control thier airpsace as if they had radar, they would assign headings and altitudes to departing aircraft. They also wanted to claim class D to FL250. Afghanistan is suppose to go IFR this April, but there are alot of players up there that don't play by any rules and they just trust dumb luck to keep themselves alive. Ironically the radar box for Bagram is called the coffin as that is what is resembles and what you'll end up in if you don't pay attention. There are Nasty hills up there. When I fly up there is its less than VFR I stay at a safe altitude untill within 50nm and get under positive Radar Control. The controllers at Bagram can talk you down to a 200' PAR, it is a slam dunk because of the steep terain gradiant.
Jim
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Kabul is a Day VFR Only field ( according to my Military pubs ), Bagram is a Radar facility. I spent an afternoon talking with the controlers ( Civilian Contractors ), at Bagram and one of their complaints is that Kabul wanted to control thier airpsace as if they had radar, they would assign headings and altitudes to departing aircraft. They also wanted to claim class D to FL250. Afghanistan is suppose to go IFR this April, but there are alot of players up there that don't play by any rules and they just trust dumb luck to keep themselves alive. Ironically the radar box for Bagram is called the coffin as that is what is resembles and what you'll end up in if you don't pay attention. There are Nasty hills up there. When I fly up there is its less than VFR I stay at a safe altitude untill within 50nm and get under positive Radar Control. The controllers at Bagram can talk you down to a 200' PAR, it is a slam dunk because of the steep terain gradiant.
Jim
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Yup. Nothing has changed since I was was there last.
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Kabul is a Day VFR Only field ( according to my Military pubs ), Bagram is a Radar facility. I spent an afternoon talking with the controlers ( Civilian Contractors ), at Bagram and one of their complaints is that Kabul wanted to control thier airpsace as if they had radar, they would assign headings and altitudes to departing aircraft. They also wanted to claim class D to FL250. Afghanistan is suppose to go IFR this April, but there are alot of players up there that don't play by any rules and they just trust dumb luck to keep themselves alive. Ironically the radar box for Bagram is called the coffin as that is what is resembles and what you'll end up in if you don't pay attention. There are Nasty hills up there. When I fly up there is its less than VFR I stay at a safe altitude untill within 50nm and get under positive Radar Control. The controllers at Bagram can talk you down to a 200' PAR, it is a slam dunk because of the steep terain gradiant.
Jim
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Yup. Nothing has changed since I was was there last.
ticket2ride
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Re: Missing 737 from Afghanistan: Conflicting Rep
Is that a big red dot on the verticle stabilizer? Is that paint?
Photo of Verticle Stabliler in the Snow?
EX-037
Is that a big red dot on the verticle stabilizer? Is that paint?
Photo of Verticle Stabliler in the Snow?
EX-037
ticket2ride
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Here's a better version of the photo, off the ISAF's website. The dot on the piece of wreckage appears to be red, but that is not consistent with the photo showing a totally white aircraft. Unless the white paint came off and the red is part of the old Taca livery or something, or rescuers shot a red paint gun at it to mark it.
Part of Verticle Stablizer with what appears to be Red Dot
Here's a better version of the photo, off the ISAF's website. The dot on the piece of wreckage appears to be red, but that is not consistent with the photo showing a totally white aircraft. Unless the white paint came off and the red is part of the old Taca livery or something, or rescuers shot a red paint gun at it to mark it.
Part of Verticle Stablizer with what appears to be Red Dot