Missing 1900

Autothrust Blue said:
Good approach charts have the pertinent terrain depicted on them, too, so it's a non-issue.

I don't have the Jepps for the accident airport, but I will bet you a few beers that there's more detail present in the little black book than there is on the NACO plates best used for lining a birdcage.
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I used solely NACO when I flew for Cape, and that was into a couple terrain-sensitive airports. I had no issues with them, though I do prefer the Jepp layout.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Good approach charts have the pertinent terrain depicted on them, too, so it's a non-issue.

I don't have the Jepps for the accident airport, but I will bet you a few beers that there's more detail present in the little black book than there is on the NACO plates best used for lining a birdcage.
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They're both equal in my book. On the Ipads we have NACO's and the G1000's have Jepps. I find the Jepps "old" looking and prefer the NACO's due to something as simple as the font choices. My brain prefers to work with the layout of the NACO's.
 
Jepps shows different high point elevation figures (e.g. 2725' vs 2550' on NACO.) Not that it matters here but... interesting.

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Before everyone tears the controller apart, if he did make a mistake might I remind everyone of something...

While he gets to go home, his life is essentially over, imagine living knowing one mistake caused someones life, or lives. I pray every day I go to work that I do my job safely, so before people circle the wagons, remember controllers are people too, and yes we have a job to do, I can promise you controllers save countless more pilots lives than they cost.

A pilots job is to adhere to a control instruction and at least very early on here it looks like that cost them, I imagine however we are missing something in this story.

15 years of studying accidents, never is there one event which causes a crash, or very rarely.


In any case RIP to the crew, dying just trying to do their job, a horrible tragic loss.

Also my stomach turns for the controller, personally I would contemplate death over having someone's blood on my hands, mistake or otherwise.
 
Inverted said:
The terrain feature on the 430 is annoying as hell. Maybe they ignored it.
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I don't find this to be the case. It really only goes off (with rare exception) if it is a high decent rate near the ground for me. Usually within 2 miles of the runway. I have never heard it go off 5 miles from an airport, if it did, the color of my shorts may change dramatically.
 
canadian_atc said:
Before everyone tears the controller apart, if he did make a mistake might I remind everyone of something...

While he gets to go home, his life is essentially over, imagine living knowing one mistake caused someones life, or lives. I pray every day I go to work that I do my job safely, so before people circle the wagons, remember controllers are people too, and yes we have a job to do, I can promise you controllers save countless more pilots lives than they cost.

A pilots job is to adhere to a control instruction and at least very early on here it looks like that cost them, I imagine however we are missing something in this story.

15 years of studying accidents, never is there one event which causes a crash, or very rarely.


In any case RIP to the crew, dying just trying to do their job, a horrible tragic loss.

Also my stomach turns for the controller, personally I would contemplate death over having someone's blood on my hands, mistake or otherwise.
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I agree humans make mistakes, with that revelation specifically what I look for on checkrides or line checks are the crew making safe first and then legal decision making. Some clearances given by a controller may not be neither and its up to the crew to catch it. Not making good decisions are the fastest way to bust a checkride not because a pilot is sloppy everywhere else. I personally will take good sound decisions anytime.
 
It is up to the crew to be safe, and not adhere to a control instruction which jeopardizes safety.

If someone wants to split semantics, please do so on your own, control issues instruction, pilot will adhere to said instruction 100% of the time unless doing so jeopardizes safety. Is that better?

I've yet to have a pilot fly through and not listen to an instruction without justification (never seen it) so can we put the egos back in the carry-on and move on please? @T/O
 
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