Military Instructors - Log Dual Given?

Ian_J

Ian_J

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Just curious if military instructors who keep their own logbooks log dual given.
 
The question can't be answered as asked without ore detail.

If a military instructor is instructing in a military capacity and logging it as an instructor on the military records, then it doesn't matter if they hold a civilian flight instructor certificate at that moment or not. All military logged time is transferable one for one to civilian time even though the two can be different. I believe the military has a different standard for logging "night" time than the FAA, but the records still carry across.

If the person holds an FAA instructor certificate and is flying a military aircraft in a military capacity, but not serving as an instructor, then they are not legitimately providing instruction and logging the time would be fodder for a falsification enforcement.
 
Yes, without question. If you are logging IP time and instructing, it is dual given in the logbook.
 
Houston said:
The question can't be answered as asked without ore detail.
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I think you misunderstood (I realize I wasn't that clear.). I was asking military instructors, here on JC, if when they instruct for the military, they log dual given in their own personal FAA logbook. What you wrote below is a given.

Houston said:
If a military instructor is instructing in a military capacity and logging it as an instructor on the military records, then it doesn't matter if they hold a civilian flight instructor certificate at that moment or not. All military logged time is transferable one for one to civilian time even though the two can be different. I believe the military has a different standard for logging "night" time than the FAA, but the records still carry across.

If the person holds an FAA instructor certificate and is flying a military aircraft in a military capacity, but not serving as an instructor, then they are not legitimately providing instruction and logging the time would be fodder for a falsification enforcement.
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FWIW - I kept a separate logbook when I was instructing in the Air Force. It helped rectify transcription errors since I could easily find the errors with Flight Records when I requested my reports each year (or half year as I got close to separating).

It also helped because at the time different companies allow different "conversion factors" based on sorties, type of mission, etc.
 
WMostellar said:
FWIW - I kept a separate logbook when I was instructing in the Air Force. It helped rectify transcription errors since I could easily find the errors with Flight Records when I requested my reports each year (or half year as I got close to separating).

It also helped because at the time different companies allow different "conversion factors" based on sorties, type of mission, etc.
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I do the same thing, and have been keeping my own private log for about 2/3 of my military flying career. It is a bit frightening how many errors are in the "official" record if individual pilots don't have their own record to bounce it against during the annual records review.
 
Ian J said:
I was asking military instructors, here on JC, if when they instruct for the military, they log dual given in their own personal FAA logbook.
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Okay. The only practical reason for anyone to do that is that there is more "flight time" using the FAA's standard than using the military's. So, if a person were concerned about building time (dual given or otherwise), then it might be worth the extra effort to them.
 
Houston said:
Okay. The only practical reason for anyone to do that is that there is more "flight time" using the FAA's standard than using the military's. So, if a person were concerned about building time (dual given or otherwise), then it might be worth the extra effort to them.
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No, that's not the only practical reason. It's barely applicable for the Army anyway. Many of us keep our own logbooks to verify the accuracy of our military records.
 
Houston said:
Okay. The only practical reason for anyone to do that is that there is more "flight time" using the FAA's standard than using the military's. So, if a person were concerned about building time (dual given or otherwise), then it might be worth the extra effort to them.
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There are lots of reasons to log dual given as an instructor. There are plenty of military folks like me who have hundreds or thousands of hours of dual given in the military, but little or none given using their FAA certificates. Lots of civilian places are interested to know how much time as an instructor you have, and since military time qualifies (and the military's rules for logging time are not consistent with the FAA's -- and not just with the "takeoff time" issue) it is useful for military instructors to track that time using the FAA's standards.
 
Ian J said:
No, that's not the only practical reason. It's barely applicable for the Army anyway. Many of us keep our own logbooks to verify the accuracy of our military records.
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What's barely applicable for the Army?

Yes, you're right, keeping track of your time for the purpose of correcting errors in the system is a good idea if you can't trust the system. It's also handy for planning purposes if you're bouncing up around the maximum flight time limits of what is allowed for your situation. Although logging flight time has a different connotation than keeping track of flight time.
 
Hacker15e said:
There are lots of reasons to log dual given as an instructor. There are plenty of military folks like me who have hundreds or thousands of hours of dual given in the military, but little or none given using their FAA certificates. Lots of civilian places are interested to know how much time as an instructor you have, and since military time qualifies (and the military's rules for logging time are not consistent with the FAA's -- and not just with the "takeoff time" issue) it is useful for military instructors to track that time using the FAA's standards.
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I think you just basically restated what I wrote except for the part about "lots of reasons."
 
Houston said:
What's barely applicable for the Army?

Yes, you're right, keeping track of your time for the purpose of correcting errors in the system is a good idea if you can't trust the system. It's also handy for planning purposes if you're bouncing up around the maximum flight time limits of what is allowed for your situation. Although logging flight time has a different connotation than keeping track of flight time.
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Not really interested in any thread creep. My question has been answered. I was only interested in input from actual military instructors and really don't need the basics typed at me, but I appreciate your attempt to help.
 
Ian J said:
Not really interested in any thread creep. My question has been answered. I was only interested in input from actual military instructors and really don't need the basics typed at me, but I appreciate your attempt to help.
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Just trying to figure out what you were attempting to write, and you're welcome.
 
A Excel spreadsheet I adapted from several others I found on the internet.

Here's a vanilla version of it I uploaded to airlinepilotcentral 6 or 7 years ago:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,37/Itemid,85.html

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