MIG-15 arrives @ Edwards

[HuggyU2]

For professional reasons I am not interested in publishing my name here.

Well, since you said that, I won't say your name. But reading the 1st post, I'm sure it's you. Good to hear from you again! I don't think we've chatted in around 4+ years. The guys from USNTPS are here right now (I coord their DT-II sorties), and your name came up last week.
I'll be getting through EDW in the next couple of weeks and will look you up.
And, yes,... I'm still at BAB.

 

[X-Pilot]

Well, since you said that, I won't say your name. But reading the 1st post, I'm sure it's you. Good to hear from you again! I don't think we've chatted in around 4+ years. The guys from USNTPS are here right now (I coord their DT-II sorties), and your name came up last week.
I'll be getting through EDW in the next couple of weeks and will look you up.
And, yes,... I'm still at BAB.

Hey Huggy!! Beers's on me, I'll be here for the next three weeks or so. Take care of my Studs, tell them I said howdy (and ask for their MiG coins, and tell them that failure to produce them out of pocket means that they buy beer for you as my proxy). You really doing DT-II's in your jets? Glad they did glider work first... and kudus for bravery. No new scenes in the "U-2 Follies" movie, please?

Still at the same place? Sheesh... that must be some sort of record.

Nils is here too, BTW. Have not seen him in eons. Let's head over to NASA and drag him out for dinner. This place is great: "General N" turns out to be someone I flew with in the MiG "way back when" at Eglin: When I flew Ken Rowe in the MiG there (No Kim Sok, by his NK name), he was a Colonel and was the Wing Commander. Not sure if you made that party? Now he's running the show here as the one-star and we had another good MiG flight last week. I've got a bottle of weed in the freezer, and I know the trail to Pancho Barnes old ruins. Let's make a hike in and have one for her and drag Nils out as well.

Snivel for a MiG hop while you are here too. Or better yet, get your guys to spring for some QE flights and I'll run over there after I'm done here. Trade ya for a payback flight in the black-beauty. We only took the Canberra to FL550 and I know you can do better than that.


Milo

,

 

[MikeD]

A couple of observations:

X-Pilot and his associates do more to enhance aviation safety in a week, then everyone on this board combined will do in a lifetime...

A lifetime? You must not know how much some of us have contributed to aviation safety then. Remember, it's a very wide-reaching discipline.

Failure to listen and learn from those who've been there and done that, is why you just might become another statistic one day...

I don't see where this is being questioned by anyone here. The information being provided seems just fine and factual.

 

[MikeD]

Police your own, guys. I'm outta here. Hope you don't miss the info that I might have provided. I cannot be involved with forums in which ad-hominum is the way business is done. This is why I avoid internet forums as a rule.

Adios
.

Another observation of etiquette: If you're going to make sweeping statements like this one, then its best to stick to them. There's no need for drama here, in any direction. Its like the decision to eject, its not normally one you reverse.

So stay and play, or RTB; makes no difference. Just try and ride with current a bit rather than paddling against it so much. It's how this particular living room works, and the etiquette the guests generally follow.

Welcome.

And the anonymity is fine if you insist. It's just kind of difficult to understand when your name, your company you run, it's other members, and the particular's of your company's Fed contract are all a few clicks away on the web. If you desired tight OPSEC, reason would dictate that it would be exercised with more effort.

 

[Hacker15e]

I love a happy ending.

 

[Stone Cold]

Welcome aboard X-Pilot. I believe we have had a few vouch for you now, so hopefully all of us can learn from you. Also, I did not realize you were editing your posts above mine, so I did not realize you were providing more information to confirm you were legit.

Damn, I leave for work on the east coast for a week and you guys run off one of, if not the most respected SETP and MIG pilots in the United States... I know who it is and he's the real deal.... X-Pilot and his associates do more to enhance aviation safety in a week, then everyone on this board combined will do in a lifetime...

Some of you should check your egos and take a couple days off, then go fly something low and slow, in hopes of re-discovering the excitement of exactly why you started flying in the first place rather then getting into a pissing match with someone who's simply made a statement of facts concerning the MIG-15, an aircraft you have limited knowledge about and X-Pilot knows better then everyone else in the United States.

Failure to listen and learn from those who've been there and done that, is why you just might become another statistic one day...

And a failure to read for comprehension is also a bad quality. All everybody was asking for was some way to verify X-Pilot was the real deal. I do not know why that is seen as a bad thing, to verify we are talking to somebody that actually knows what he is saying?! Hopefully everybody has calmed down now and X-Pilot will contribute to the forums.

Well I haven't made the connection yet about how this contributes to safety, BUT, my ears are wide open to any info that X pilot has to share. Particularly about the MIG-21/23 if he has experience in them. Thanks for the extra info, considering some of us may take what you say seriously here (and have a need to do so), I certainly like to know who I'm talking to. Anyway, welcome!

I have no need to know about the Migs, but I am all ears to learn as much as he is willing to contribute. Again, welcome aboard.:beer:

 

[X-Pilot]

And the anonymity is fine if you insist. It's just kind of difficult to understand when your name, your company you run, are all a few clicks away on the web. .

I simply don't want attention drawn to my name here with casual Google searches by people who are not part of my community. All I ask is respect for my professional privacy.

I'm happy to discuss technology and hardware and flying qualities. I simply do not wish to discuss people or personalities, and that includes myself as well at others. I don't care who you are: I'll read what you post and make my own conclusions based on the information I see being produced. Offer me the same courtesy. I don't respond to demands to "prove it" very well, as I've already proven it to the entities that count: Let the information I provide speak for itself. That's my ROE and it's not negotiable. I'm a prickly old grumpy-at-times grey-haired bastard... get used to it. ;-)

All I did was to put up a bullet-list of flying qualities of the MiG-15 being discussed after someone who *I* don't know wrote (inaccurately) that the MiG-15 was easy to fly. I note that nobody bothered to comment on the information, but rather concentrated on a tangential discussion, a fact that is curious to me. Go read my descriptive points, and if you want to discuss them then I'm here to offer my expertise.


Time for a shower, coffee, flightsuit, and a triple-step day.


Milo

.

 

[Orange Anchor]

I I note that nobody bothered to comment on the information, but rather concentrated on a tangential discussion, a fact that is curious to me. Go read my descriptive points, and if you want to discuss them then I'm here to offer my expertise.




Milo

.

I think I did note that some of the early machines were NOT 'easy' to fly and demanded a lot of respect. In ATL we had a MiG-15 roaming around for a while and I talked with the guy who flew it and he said he was VERY conscious of the engine all the time in the pattern due to the exceedingly slow spool up from idle. I thought most aviators who had any appreciation for the older birds knew the -15 could climb but it had handling problems as you mentioned, especially at high speed. Interesting too the variants of the German design that showed up as the Swedish Tunnan, the Russian -15 and the Argentine Pulqui II from Dr. Tank.

Even the second generation jets demanded more respect. The early F-100 with no flaps was very much a rudder airplane and woe to the sloppy foot pilot in the final turn. The -101 had a bad pitch-up at high AOA and the -104 with the BBLC could be very nasty if the BBLC quit. Early Thuds had a problem with 'pigtails' fatiguing and spraying fuel on the engine creating an almost immediate explosion.

And none of this addresses the seemingly random placement of instruments in the limited real estate. Cross check? Cross check for which airplane which model?

Easy? I don't think so. But then, I never flew fighters. I can, however read.

 

[MikeD]

I simply don't want attention drawn to my name here with casual Google searches by people who are not part of my community. All I ask is respect for my professional privacy.

Thats fine. But Casual Google searches are how your other info came to bear so easily, so again I see what you're requesting, but the logic is still elusive. If you had no website of any kind, I could see more where you were coming from.

I'm happy to discuss technology and hardware and flying qualities. I simply do not wish to discuss people or personalities, and that includes myself as well at others.

HuggyU2 notwithstanding. You make the above statement, then go name dropping afterwards. Again, I see your request, but you're speaking from both sides of the issue on that one....just like the Google search one, hence the confusion. What you're requesting, and what you're doing are two very different things.

That's my ROE and it's not negotiable. I'm a prickly old grumpy-at-times grey-haired bastard... get used to it. ;-)

So long as it conforms to the forum rules and decorum, there won't be a problem. That's my ROE, and is non-negotiable.

All I did was to put up a bullet-list of flying qualities of the MiG-15 being discussed after someone who *I* don't know wrote (inaccurately) that the MiG-15 was easy to fly. I note that nobody bothered to comment on the information, but rather concentrated on a tangential discussion, a fact that is curious to me. Go read my descriptive points, and if you want to discuss them then I'm here to offer my expertise.

All of it excellent information. Much appreciated. So now that we're all on the same page here. Enjoy, and carry on.

 

[bunk22]

Damn, I leave for work on the east coast for a week and you guys run off one of, if not the most respected SETP and MIG pilots in the United States... I know who it is and he's the real deal.... X-Pilot and his associates do more to enhance aviation safety in a week, then everyone on this board combined will do in a lifetime...

Some of you should check your egos and take a couple days off, then go fly something low and slow, in hopes of re-discovering the excitement of exactly why you started flying in the first place rather then getting into a pissing match with someone who's simply made a statement of facts concerning the MIG-15, an aircraft you have limited knowledge about and X-Pilot knows better then everyone else in the United States.

Failure to listen and learn from those who've been there and done that, is why you just might become another statistic one day...

Thus X should certainly take your advice...stow the ego and listen as well. The net and even real life (the airline pilot who faked being a Viper driver for example) is full of fakes. Establishing who you are off the bat instead of this big secretive approach would have made things so simple. Without credentials, what one posts when not an opinion has to be take with a grain of salt. BTW, a lot of us have been there done that in other areas of aviation, thus there is a flip side to that coin. So you offer good advice for X-pilot, hopefully he'll listen.