meyers9163
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Has that not already basically occured?
Midwest Airlines to ground 717s in November
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Has that not already basically occured?
falconvalley
Absentee Dad of the OOTSK, Runner, Cat Frustrator
No, there are people still working at Midwest that weren't originally from RAH. Sucks that the remaining 120 pilots are going to get furloughed, though. Some of those guys have been there since the start in the early 80s and I'm sure a few ex Kimberly Clark folks from the 70s. Many of them won't likely return I bet (by choice), so it's gonna be no different to them than the company shutting down. But there are other employees still working there, who don't fly planes.
meyers9163
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Many of the press releases around the Indy area are saying BB is wanting to move both F9 and Midwest call centers etc to the Indy area.... So I guess we will see what happens. And has been quoted on saying, "It'd save on cost" in the one interview I saw the other weekend.....
Polar742
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No offense to me, I quit there. You are, however, openly disrespecting that pilot group.
I'm sure you realize that BB created Express I, nee` Pinnacle, by dividing one airline into two. I'm sure you're also very aware that Bedford built up Mesaba....
Why doesn't AirTran and/or WN move in and put the kabosh on them now? Or, even better, have some collusion, AirTran runs RAH out of MKE and WN runs them out of DEN. After all the legal dust settles, RAH is still done, the damage can't be reversed.
I'm sure they're curious how the PCL negotiations play out too.
I'm also sure that as PCL voted down an unnacceptable TA, I'd expect RAH pilots to recognize their place in the industry and do the same.
To say anything less is openly disrespecting them. Again.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Midwest had their 717s configured in either all business class, or at 99 seats. With those numbers, the CASM figures get all screwed up, and I would imagine that an all-coach E-190 would have a better CASM.
Ehh, the brand is dead after the Republic purchase.
If any Republic employee is looking for real estate to purchase in Milwaukee and expects to be there long term without commuting, I've got some prime oceanfront property I'd like to sell them outside of Ajo, Arizona.
If any Republic employee is looking for real estate to purchase in Milwaukee and expects to be there long term without commuting, I've got some prime oceanfront property I'd like to sell them outside of Ajo, Arizona.
Polar742
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Universal truth man....
I was JUST there about two hours ago! Business has been continually good in that area....
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
My opinion still stands. Like I said, I hope they can manage to get the pay rates they deserve.
If the tables were turned, and it was Pinnacle doing the buying and flying of the 99 seat airplanes for 50 seat FO rates, I'd be saying we're dragging down the industry myself.
So might as well dig in somewhere you like and then commute!
If my career was an airplane, I'd have MCO and DFW painted on the side!
Polar742
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You do realize that the CR9 is flying for lower CA rates than the RAH 76 seat CAs, right? I just checked the APC scale, and if that information is correct then this is a true statement.
Both of which are mainline-sized equipment....early DC-9s and BAC1-11s and F28s. All of which paid more than either company.
So, it looks like you're already in that boat.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Oh, yeah. I'll agree there. But (just like Republic) we're in contract negotiations. So it's also on us to bring up the industry as well. If we don't....well, we're sell outs. I've got no problem saying that.
Polar742
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..but there aren't threads and threads of people bagging on you guys either.
If someone is in a leaky lifeboat next to your leaky lifeboat, one shouldn't mock them because they are in a leaky lifeboat.
That's all I'm getting at, because there is way too much. I don't care if it's RAH being bagged on, Mesa, Comair Delta. Whatever. It's a job.
I support anyone in contract negotiations, and hope they achieve a great contract, even if it puts them "ahead" of me.
What bothers me is when that happens and people forget that they were in the same position weeks, months or years ago. Or they don't recognize they are in the same shape now.
Take pride in what you accomplish, be humble about where you're from.
I, for one, will never forget the crappy working conditions that the folks flying at the airline had before me. I will not forget the progress they made by getting a first contract. I will not forget the errors and successes we made in the contract I was around for and voted on. And that will continue through my career.
We all came from somewhere.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
We only dodged that thread by 8%.
My beef is with the 190s being flown for 50 seat rates on the FO side and 175 rates on the CA side. If RAH wins the grievance, fantastic. If they don't (and since they already have a 99 seat rate on the books, I see this as an uphill battle), well, I wish them luck in getting management to speedily agree to a TA.
Trust me, if the tables were turned, you can replace "Republic" in all the threads with "Pinnacle."
Polar742
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All I take away from these RAH bashing threads is that the company is trying to screw the pilots, by saying a 100 seat jet is 99 seats, and pilots from other carriers are bashing the RAH pilots and not supporting them.
wildfreightess
Well-Known Member
+10000000
This whole "brotherhood of aviation" is total BS from what I've seen. Supporting your fellow pilots has disappeared like a fart in a whirlwind. Everyone just CAN'T EFFING WAIT to get on the bandwagon against someone else. As far as I'm concerned, the only way to be in someone's good graces who works for another carrier, is to be working for a carrier that is about to go under. It's all about "you guys need to refuse the flying" "you guys need to do something because you're undermining the entire industry" " you guys need to change your contract YESTERDAY" "you guys are single-handedly responsible for dragging down the wages from six figures to five." What part of "this takes time" don't you understand?!? If that's what you want to believe, then fine. Nothing anyone else says is going to sway you from your almighty opinion.
Yesterday it was GoJet everyone hated. Today it's RAH. Tomorrow it'll be someone else. I hope all of you get high blood pressure. I'm just going to do my job, shake off your sarcastic remarks, and go home.
I hate this industry.
surreal1221
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Nah, everyone still hates GoJets. Don't worry.
Polar742
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I'd say it's more relevant than you'd think, for the following reason.
RAH bought a jet of a certain capacity and took a seat out to make it fit on a payscale.
The CRJ900 is intended to be an 86 seat aircraft. Your employer chose to take 10 seats out.
Seats in both cases were removed to play a contract game. RAH to pay the existing scale and ignore the "New Aircraft" Clause of the contract and XJ to comply with the DL scope. However, they bought an aircraft that could contain more seats in case the scope changes.
Both screw the pilots.