Mesa "reinterprets" new CBA

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One of the better sections of our new CBA is the block or better section, which states that a pilot will be paid (not credited) for any amount "overblock". For example, a reserve pilot's min guarantee is 70 hours. If his scheduled flight time that month is 20 hours (based on the segment times for the trips he made), but he blocked 25 then he should get paid 75 hours because the "overblock" should be over the min guarantee (which is part of the credit system.) Works the same with lineholders.

Naturally, this is really good for our pilots (especially reserve pilots in places like Dulles and ORD). This is how it was negotiated and both parties (the company and the union) were in agreement that this was how it was interpreted when the CBA was signed.

Well, now Management realizes that this section of the CBA might actually cost them money and are renegging on the deal, refusing to pay this for both reserve pilots and line pilots. At least that is the gist I am getting from a recent email from the company.

I don't have all the details but what I do know is that our MEC obviously kept all the notes made by both sides during the negotiations which includes this particular issue so I am unsure how the company expects to win in arbitration, which will be rapidly forthcoming I'm sure.

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Does this action by Mesa Management
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One of the better sections of our new CBA is the block or better section, which states that a pilot will be paid (not credited) for any amount "overblock". For example, a reserve pilot's min guarantee is 70 hours. If his scheduled flight time that month is 20 hours (based on the segment times for the trips he made), but he blocked 25 then he should get paid 75 hours because the "overblock" should be over the min guarantee (which is part of the credit system.) Works the same with lineholders.

Naturally, this is really good for our pilots (especially reserve pilots in places like Dulles and ORD). This is how it was negotiated and both parties (the company and the union) were in agreement that this was how it was interpreted when the CBA was signed.

Well, now Management realizes that this section of the CBA might actually cost them money and are renegging on the deal, refusing to pay this for both reserve pilots and line pilots. At least that is the gist I am getting from a recent email from the company.

I don't have all the details but what I do know is that our MEC obviously kept all the notes made by both sides during the negotiations which includes this particular issue so I am unsure how the company expects to win in arbitration, which will be rapidly forthcoming I'm sure.

DEVELOPING... (that is my drudge report impersonation)


Who cares,

Signed, 421 and the 20%.
 
Wow and no one saw this coming? The word contract doesn't exhist in JO's vocabulary since he can't abide by any; whether it be between MAG and it's pilots or a contract with mainline partners. It shows a pattern and if I were Delta or ALPA, I'd use that agianst him in court.
 
Wow, if that is what was agreed on in the contract negotiations, that is a fantastic deal for a reserve pilot! At OH, we get paid block (door closed to door open), so if you taxi at JFK for 4 hours for your thirty minute flight to PHL, you get paid 4.5 hours (as it should be). I know the Freedom guys used to just get the "Scheduled Block Time" which sucks. When I was a lineholder, it was great to get those extra hours each month, but as a reserve the last two months before I was furloughed, I never made guarantee (75 hours), so all that extra time meant nothing. Maybe I read your post wrong. Are you saying if a reserve actually flies 5 hours over your min of 70, he gets paid 75? Or are you saying that if he is scheduled for 60 hours and works 65, he is going to get 75 instead of 70? Sorry, it's early and the Coors hasn't worn off yet:D
 
The way it was negotiated and the way it reads is the second. Any time over what is scheduled should be paid on top of min guarantee.

If you only fly 1 trip that month but it was blocked 4 hrs instead of the scheduled 3 for some reason you should be paid 71 hrs that month.
 
I'll have to go back and look through the wording, but common sense to me says why would the company ever agree to that in the first place? If ALL a reserve pilot did was fly ONE leg from say CLT-EWR, which included a couple hours of sitting in the hardstand waiting for a ground stop to be lifted, then they would get paid 72 instead of the guarantee of 70. Reserves could make a ton of money, flying very little.. especially in ORD, like you said.

This would certainly help me, as I just finished my first (and probably last) trip of the bid, which ended up being over blocked by a bit (thanks EWR yesterday)... so I'll never truly even come close to guarantee.
 
The way it was negotiated and the way it reads is the second. Any time over what is scheduled should be paid on top of min guarantee.

If you only fly 1 trip that month but it was blocked 4 hrs instead of the scheduled 3 for some reason you should be paid 71 hrs that month.

That is a sweet deal. I'd have broken guarantee every month if we had that here. Not surprised Mesa is pulling the "Woah! Woah! Woah! That's not what it means!" deal. Pinnacle would have never even agreed to it, but if they had, it probably wouldn't have even taken them this long to say "Eh, no. That's not right." Good luck getting it fixed.
 
I'd have to see the actual wording, but I somehow seriously doubt that Mesa's lawyers let that one slip by. I can only think of one airline (da Tranny) that has anything remotely like that in their contract.
 
Yeah good luck with that. But I have a feeling mesa can simply ignore it since it's such an unusual interpretation of "block or better", and a few years from now an arbitrator will rule in their favor.
 
Yeah that seems a little odd, how could they let that slip by. Or are the pilots so new at the concepts of what we call "add pay" that they're interpreting it poorly. I mean, let's face it. Up till now there wasn't too much question about how you got paid....."BLOCK IT IS!!"
 
I'd have to see the actual wording, but I somehow seriously doubt that Mesa's lawyers let that one slip by. I can only think of one airline (da Tranny) that has anything remotely like that in their contract.

Same here. If it simply says "paid," they'll counter with that you're only guaranteed 70 hours, so you're still getting "paid" for it and only get over guarantee if you fly more than 70 hours total.
 
[FONT=&quot]Negotiating Committee Update[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]As you all know, the negotiating Committee has been engulfed in the implementation process of our new collective bargaining agreement. While we have been able to work cooperatively with MAG management to resolve most issues, one issue seems to be eluding our best efforts at a resolution. As you recall from the road shows, we used the following example to best illustrate and explain the new language regarding schedule vs. actual: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“If you are a reserve pilot and you are assigned to fly one leg scheduled at one hour, but it takes you two hours to fly that leg, then the hour of over-block will be added to your minimum guarantee and your new pay will be 71 hours.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When our payroll subcommittee was working to ensure that the new software was being properly programmed to reflect this new reality, it became apparent management and our negotiating Committee members had drastically differing views on this topic. Upon further investigation we realized that there was a fundamental difference in how we viewed schedule vs. actual. Because the Company’s original negotiators are no longer involved, we wanted to clarify our intent by reviewing with them the eight questions we reviewed with the Company’s negotiators during the negotiations leading to our TA. Here are those questions for your review. [/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A pilot is awarded an 80 hour line and flies 80 hours. What is the pilot’s pay? ALPA – 80 hours.[/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A pilot is awarded an 80 hour line. He/she over-blocks by one hour. What is the pilot’s pay? ALPA – 81 hours. [/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A pilot is awarded an 80 hour line with 4 trips worth 20 hours each. On the last trip, he/she flies 5 hours under. What is the pilot’s pay? ALPA – 80 hours. [/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A pilot is awarded an 80 hour line with 4 trips worth 20 hours each. During the first trip, the pilot over flies the trip by 5 hours and overflies the last trip by 5 hours, what is the pilot’s pay? ALPA – 90 hours. [/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A pilot is awarded an 80 hour line with 4 trips worth 20 hours each. During the first trip, the pilot is dropped 5 hours by crews scheduling. The rest of the three trips are flown as scheduled. What is the pilot’s pay? ALPA – 80 hours [/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A pilot is awarded an 80 hour line with 4 trips worth 20 hours each. During the first trip, the pilot suffers maintenance cancel of 4 hours. He over flies the monthly schedule by 5 hours. What is the pilot’s pay? ALPA – 85 hours [/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A pilot is awarded a 60 hour line. He overflies his schedule by 5 hours. What is the pilot’s pay? ALPA – 80.83 hours [/FONT]
·[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]A pilot is awarded an 80 hour line with 4 trips worth 20 hours each. On the first trip, the pilot over-blocks by 5 hours. For the rest of the month, he under-blocks by 5 hours. What is the pilot’s pay? ALPA – 85 hours. The company’s original position was that pay would be 80 hours, which is why the first TA failed. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]First we read these questions to Paul Foley and Chris Pappaioanou as it relates to a line-holder. They agreed with our position to every question. Second, we read these questions as it relates to a reserve pilot. This is where we differ in opinion. The language in question is in section 3.C.1: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]All pilots will be paid on the basis of scheduled (as published on the pilot’s final bid award) or actual block flight time for each flight segment, whichever is greater.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Company’s position can be summed up as follows: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Any over-block that a reserve flies should be credited towards their guarantee, not above it. They rest their position on the fact that in parenthesis it says “as published on the pilot’s final bid award.” They contend that a reserve’s final bid award is zero; therefore any overage will be credited towards their guarantee. They feel, that in the case of a pilot not breaking minimum guarantee, they are paying him for the over-block by paying him minimum guarantee. In addition, they argue that they would have never agreed to a system that allows reserve pilots to game the system. For example, they don’t want a reserve pilot flying 20 hours and getting paid 80 hours. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Furthermore, as we attempted to resolve this issue we made numerous inquiries to different company personnel. We put together cold hard data in order to determine exactly how much money our difference of opinion would cost the company. These inquiries eventually lead to Mike Lotz’s desk and, unfortunately, he elevated the dispute to another level. Mike Lotz is now taking the position that if you had a line awarded to you below the minimum guarantee, any over block would be “credited” towards your applicable guarantee. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We simply disagree with this view. Our argument starts out by referencing the eight questions. If the company agrees with us on how you pay a line holder, please show us where in the contract it differentiates between a line-holder and a reserve pilot. As a matter of fact, it clearly states “all pilots…” The company has clearly shown in both past and current practices that “all pilots” refers to line holders as well as reserve pilots. The parenthetical reference the company rests their position on, “(as published on the pilot’s final bid award)”, was placed in the language to stop the company from extracting the scheduled time for a flight segment from the flight plan release. This would obviously lower the scheduled times throughout the system. We wanted to make sure that the company used the scheduled time provided to us by our partners and published to the DOT. This language was never intended to separate line-holders from reserves. Furthermore, we argue that a reserve pilot’s final bid award is 70 (or 75.83) and not zero. In addition, clear negotiating history exists showing that we fully intended to change, and did change, the old language from “credited” to “paid.” At the time this was negotiated, all of our reserves were flying well over 70 hours. While we understand that reserves may not be currently flying 70 hours, the bottom line is this is what their negotiators agreed to. As for their position that line holders awarded a line lower than their minimum guarantee should have their over block “credited” towards their guarantee, this position is simply untenable. The contract language negotiated by MAG management and ALPA does NOT say pilots will be “credited”—it says they will be “paid”. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In the event we are unable to resolve the issue of “scheduled vs. actual” as it applies to reserves flying under guarantee, it will be resolved via the grievance process (including arbitration). [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We are currently reviewing all of our legal options with our ALPA professional staff and ALPA National Officers. These options include but are not limited to, revocation of PBS by our MEC; a formal “bad faith bargaining” complaint with the National Mediation Board; and a “group grievance.” Our attorneys are in the process of arranging a formal meeting with MAG’s legal advisors. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The MEC is also reviewing additional options. In the coming weeks you may be asked to visibly demonstrate your dissatisfaction with MAG management’s short-sighted handling of this issue and flagrant disregard of clear contract language. We will also be taking this issue to the airline industry media and to our codeshare partners and, ultimately, the flying public. ALPA National has assured us of their full financial and logistical support in this effort. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The tragedy in this whole matter is that the concept of “scheduled vs. actual’ is well-established, the contract language is clear, the negotiators for both sides were in full agreement at the table, and the cost for MAG to properly comply with the contract provision as written is nominal. To put it in perspective, on a pilot payroll of nearly $9 million per month, the additional cost for MAG to comply with the contract as written is only approximately $70,000 to $80,000 per month---around 0.89 percent of payroll. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The simple facts are that during negotiations we set out to provide a system where pilots would not lose money during the course of a bid and that they would be paid for all the flying that they did. There never was any intent on creating a system with loopholes. It was clear that the first TA failed because of a glaring issue that would not be acceptable to the pilot group. The bottom line is that if our company can continue to work towards a more efficient operation and pilots are allowed to fly what they are scheduled to, the negotiated agreement will have minimal cost exposure. If we can not use our pilots efficiently and are forced to continually change the plan that was put in place, awarded schedules, there will be a much larger cost exposure to the company. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As always, we will keep you updated on all of our progress.
[/FONT]
 
I'll have to go back and look through the wording, but common sense to me says why would the company ever agree to that in the first place?

That's how it works at AirTran. In fact, our system is even better. Whenever you're assigned a trip, anything over 3.5 hours scheduled per day pays above guarantee. So, if you were assigned just a single one-day trip for the entire month that was worth 8 hours, you would receive 74.5 hours of pay (70 hours is guarantee). When I was on reserve, I would typically credit about 115 hours for 50 hours of block. I've seen pilots with north of 125 hours pay.

Yeah good luck with that. But I have a feeling mesa can simply ignore it since it's such an unusual interpretation of "block or better", and a few years from now an arbitrator will rule in their favor.

I doubt it. Based on the Q&A data that Spira posted from the NC, it looks like ALPA did a pretty damned good job of making sure this was clarified very well before it was TA'd. Those Q&As and negotiating notes are admissible in an arbitration. And since the agreement is brand new, there won't be a grievance backlog, so this grievance should be heard and arbitrated rather quickly.
 
The union has to wait until Mar 6th to file a grievance, since that is when they will pay the first time under the agreement. Until then it is kind of hypothetical. But once the grievance is filed I expect the grievance committee to give it priority in bringing it before the system board, and then for arbitration.
 
I doubt it. Based on the Q&A data that Spira posted from the NC, it looks like ALPA did a pretty damned good job of making sure this was clarified very well before it was TA'd. Those Q&As and negotiating notes are admissible in an arbitration. And since the agreement is brand new, there won't be a grievance backlog, so this grievance should be heard and arbitrated rather quickly.

I believe there is still a backlog of grievances from the previous agreement. Last year when we were losing 60 pilots a month (approximately 50% of the pilot force over the year) the system board did not meet for 8-9 months because the company would not release the grievance committee members to attend it because they had absolutely no reserve coverage.

Mesa has an incredible history of losing a quarter to save a nickel. They have the planning ability of a hungry dog and the memory of an elephant (a dead elephant). A lot of our current problems could be solved if Delta wasn't trying to cancel our contract -- they say it is due to a controllable completion factor below what is required by the CPA. Assuming this is correct then the reason for this is almost undoubtedly crew cancellations. The reason for crew cancellations is an inability to staff and retain crew members. The reason for that was not just the poor CBA but the incredible hostility that the company had to its pilot and flight attendant workforce.

With the small investment of an increased working condition and pay Mesa management could have gotten not only their attrition under control but possibly cancelled fewer flights, had a happier workforce which results in happier customers.

One big thing being pushed right now is United's Promoter score. Sorry, sometimes I can't be as chipper as I would like when I'm on hour 14 going into a reduced rest overnight for like $20/hr.
 
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