Mesa pilot training agreement

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JayAre

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Mesa Airlines ground training is conducted at the Mesa Air Group training Center in Phoenix, Arizona. Air Midwest’s ground training is conducted in Wichita, Kansas. Training is free and all pilots are paid the minimum pay guarantee from the start of training. Mesa Air Group pilots with less than four (4) years longevity are required to execute a training agreement as a condition for entering into initial, upgrade or transition training. The aircraft assigned determines the promissory note amount. The duration of the note is one year, which prorates equally over the 12-month period. If the obligations of the note are not satisfied, the balance, if any, is then payable by the pilot to the Company.
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I haven't read this four year training agreement with mesa before is this recent news. Can anyone describe the costs for training?
 
RPM is correct. If you have less than 4 years with the company WHEN YOU BEGIN YOUR UPGRADE you will be required to sign a training agreement.

I tried to get out of it and was unsuccessful. They would not let me begin CRJ captain training without it, even though I was at 3 yrs 10 months. Even though my training was completed after my 4 yr anniversary date, they exercised the note by taking my vacation pay when I left.

Lawyer told me there aint much I can do about it!
 
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Is Mesa really that bad of place?

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If you're referring to the fact that you have to sign a training agreement, so that you're forced to stay for awhile and can't leave, Mesa isn't alone. Pinnacle has newhires sign a 2 YEAR agreement, and they don't even pay you during training.

Mesa isn't alone on training contracts, but it's one of the few that pay you your contract rate during training. Not even Expressjet does that.

~wheelsup
 
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Is Mesa really that bad of place?

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If you're referring to the fact that you have to sign a training agreement, so that you're forced to stay for awhile and can't leave, Mesa isn't alone. Pinnacle has newhires sign a 2 YEAR agreement, and they don't even pay you during training.

Mesa isn't alone on training contracts, but it's one of the few that pay you your contract rate during training. Not even Expressjet does that.

~wheelsup

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2 YEARS? Lol. Military requires a 10 year agreement nowdays.
 
But they'll actually be around in 10 years...
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I read an article of a women capt. of a B-2. Not sure if it was accurate or not, but it stated she had about 100 hours of TT when she saw the inside of the B-2 for the first time. That's nuts! I wish my eyesight was better...

~wheelsup
 
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But they'll actually be around in 10 years...
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LOL.

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I read an article of a women capt. of a B-2. Not sure if it was accurate or not, but it stated she had about 100 hours of TT when she saw the inside of the B-2 for the first time. That's nuts! I wish my eyesight was better...

~wheelsup

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I don't know if people are going into the B-2 as a first assignment yet. They may very well be. I know that first-assignment F-22s are coming out now.
 
Opps my Bad I meant as working environment. A two year or one year agreement isn't that big of deal to me.
 
Question for Mike and the other military guys:

I belive that the Air Force went to a 10 year ADSC (active duty service commitment), up from 8 year, around '98. If this is so, won't there be a period of time in which the Air Force isn't letting go of pilots? I don't have any statistics to back this up, but logically thinking here, some USAF pilots will want to leave the service as soon as their commitment is up. As the length of that commitment changed in '98, won't there be an approximately two year period of time in which the Air Force won't be separating its pilots?

Opinions? Speculations?
 
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Ok thanks John that clears things up with the 4 year deal. Is Mesa really that bad of place?

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I didn't think of it as bad at the time. I left before my contract was up so I guess they had every right to take the money. I tried to get ALPA to fight for me, saying I actually completed upgrade after the 4 years, but they were pretty useless. Come to think of it, they were pretty useless the whole time unless it was job threatening.

I hear Mesa has gotten bad, but the place always gets a worse rap than it deserves.
 
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Is Mesa really that bad of place?

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If you're referring to the fact that you have to sign a training agreement, so that you're forced to stay for awhile and can't leave, Mesa isn't alone. Pinnacle has newhires sign a 2 YEAR agreement, and they don't even pay you during training.

Mesa isn't alone on training contracts, but it's one of the few that pay you your contract rate during training. Not even Expressjet does that.

~wheelsup

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This must be new at Pinnacle within the last 6 weeks - nobody in my class had to sign one.

Jason
 
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Question for Mike and the other military guys:

I belive that the Air Force went to a 10 year ADSC (active duty service commitment), up from 8 year, around '98. If this is so, won't there be a period of time in which the Air Force isn't letting go of pilots? I don't have any statistics to back this up, but logically thinking here, some USAF pilots will want to leave the service as soon as their commitment is up. As the length of that commitment changed in '98, won't there be an approximately two year period of time in which the Air Force won't be separating its pilots?

Opinions? Speculations?

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10 years is true. The cycle of pilots leaving ebbs and flows like anything else. You have many guys that stay past their initial committment for a few years, then get out. So the "2 year gap" is hard to predict what numbers will or will not be there.
 
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But they'll actually be around in 10 years...
grin.gif


I read an article of a women capt. of a B-2. Not sure if it was accurate or not, but it stated she had about 100 hours of TT when she saw the inside of the B-2 for the first time. That's nuts! I wish my eyesight was better...

~wheelsup

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USAF types graduate from pilot training with around 220 hrs, so take the above with a grain of salt. She may have SEEN the inside of a B-2 when she had only 100 TT, but by no means did she strap one on (heh) with that kinda time.
 
I've got a female B-2 pilot in one of my classes (first female B2 pilot to see combat, actually). Don't know how much time she had when she first got into the B-2, but probably closer to 1000 hours, because she was a B-1 driver beforehand.

I saw the inside of a B2 cockpit with about 1500 hours.
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Of course, the only thing I got to fly was the Sim.

Chris
 
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