Mesa loses to Delta

wheelsup said:
Mesa won't fold they will discharge the jets in bankruptcy along with lots of other debt and come out stronger than they went in.

IOW we will be the worse for it long term.
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Mesa's been on the defensive for a while now. What would it take to actually cause them to shutter their operations?

They can't be doing well financially.

Watching this air group evolve in spite of the setbacks in its business environment is interesting.
 
Socal321 said:
Actually there's now more of a possibility of end for Mesa or in all likelyness a takeover by another regional. I'm sure JO was counting on some kind of Delta settlement money to fund this BK, now that they will lose the Delta contract and actually have to pay them penalties, their situation is very bleak. Now they will be losing out on 20million per month! JO now is literally at the mercy of UAL and US and whether they keep him or just transfer the flying to the other half dozen airlines that are begging to do it. Mesa is one US or UA press release away from shutting down operations at this point or until the contract runs out.
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Before the Delta Freedom Mesa ran a single 1900 under the Freedom certificate so while they are losing the revenue it's not like it's always been there.
 
Airway's RFP for 900 seat flying is set to close soon (if it hasn't already). The original thought was that this was just a way to make Mesa do the flying they are already doing at a cheaper rate, but with this development I'm not so sure. I *think* AWAC and PSA were the only other two companies to submit "bids" (it's in parentheses because PSA can't really bid on flying).
 
ctab5060X said:
Wrong. The case was filed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia. The bold is the biggie... this is a federal filing so it definitely sets a precedent for future cases. Even if future cases are not at all like the MAG v DAL case, certain portions of Judge Cooper's Conclusions of Law can still be cited as precedent. You would be surprised just how many times ruling in cases from other districts come to play in a judge's decision.
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Only within that jurisdiction. Different federal circuits regularly disagree with each other.
 
Read it, agree with it. Fudge the numbers , get fraked in court. Sorry for the MAG pilots who suffer the fallout.
 
BobDDuck said:
Airway's RFP for 900 seat flying is set to close soon (if it hasn't already). The original thought was that this was just a way to make Mesa do the flying they are already doing at a cheaper rate, but with this development I'm not so sure. I *think* AWAC and PSA were the only other two companies to submit "bids" (it's in parentheses because PSA can't really bid on flying).
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I am 100% sure that Skywest Inc has a bid in.
 
BobDDuck said:
Airway's RFP for 900 seat flying is set to close soon (if it hasn't already). The original thought was that this was just a way to make Mesa do the flying they are already doing at a cheaper rate, but with this development I'm not so sure. I *think* AWAC and PSA were the only other two companies to submit "bids" (it's in parentheses because PSA can't really bid on flying).
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I am pretty sure pinnacle and skywest would have bid on this flying as well. Its a decent amount of 900's. I also found it very odd that in our weekly pinnacle update, they posted an article about how mesa may be losing us air flying and the decision would be published in a couple months. What does that have to do with pinnacle? I hope we don't get it - we dont deserve any flying until we get new leadership at the top.
 
ctab5060X said:
Only in the lower courts of that jurisdiction is it binding. It can still be in an advisory role in other districts.
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Yes, and also on future decisions for that appellate court.

And yes, it is persuasive as opposed to binding on other jurisdictions.
 
I heard some 900 rumors from a mainline guy or two over at the schoolhouse, problem is we don't have rates for the airplanes and I see management/USAPA throwing in some sort of curve ball. I think they would like to see them on property at one of their WO's but there is lots of red tape.

One rumor I did hear is Airways will take the airplanes on which they own the leases (I'm not sure of the numbers) and they will fly them. I'd love to see that, but it's unlikely.
 
I don't think Airways leases any of the 900s that Mesa has. Mesa owns I think 14 of them and is leasing the others itself. I might be wrong, though.
 
pilotlight said:
I am pretty sure pinnacle and skywest would have bid on this flying as well. Its a decent amount of 900's. I also found it very odd that in our weekly pinnacle update, they posted an article about how mesa may be losing us air flying and the decision would be published in a couple months. What does that have to do with pinnacle? I hope we don't get it - we dont deserve any flying until we get new leadership at the top.
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No kidding. The "trust" issues we're having here are basically irreversible with the current leadership. After you've been straight up lied to (sometimes right to your face) as many times as we have, there's just no going back. The final straw for me was years back when management said "We're gonna lose our NWA flying if you don't sign this last best and final offer." Two days later, we announce a 10 year deal with NWA. Right.....they negotiated that deal in 48 hours. Sad thing is, I had only been on property for 6 months, and I had zero confidence in management to be honest with us.

I'd be VERY surprised if we didn't put a bid in. They've mentioned about half a zillion times that we need more -900s to make the program worth the investment.
 
I think it would be hard for 9E or SKW to invest such money into a new airline and get little in return. Keep in mind Airways is willing to pay VERY little... Last PRF out there was UAL and Xjet got it.. I would not be shocked if the 900 PRF would not be damn near that one where the flying will be done at a near loss and short terms... I doubt 9E or SKW would like those terms.. Mesa is in a hard place where they must accept less or face liquidation... Their LCC contract is up in 2012...
 
wheelsup said:
Mesa did Delta a favor and canceled their flights only to get the boot because they canceled too many flights.

That's not being aggressive that is being a [device used to introduce a stream of water into the body for medical or hygienic reasons].

Edit guess you can't say the d-word on here!
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It's not that they cancelled flights, it's that MAG went back on their word for cancelling and flew the flights anyways...most of them empty, and then charging Delta for operating them as four hour delay completions. Most of the passesneger had been re-booked on other flights or given vouchers for hotels. So the money MAG owes Delta is for overcharging Delta for those flights.
 
H46Bubba said:
It's not that they cancelled flights, it's that MAG went back on their word for cancelling and flew the flights anyways...most of them empty, and then charging Delta for operating them as four hour delay completions. Most of the passesneger had been re-booked on other flights or given vouchers for hotels. So the money MAG owes Delta is for overcharging Delta for those flights.
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Now that doesn't sound kosher!
 
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