That is understandable, but as I recall, there is another full thread about his situation which kinda makes this thread meaningless in comparison from a legal standpointI'm not sure I'd be putting all that info in there. Questioning whether it's legal and then saying you are going to do it anyways, and then the part about the pay...people do read this stuff, ya know?!
Ahh, sorry I must've missed that thread in all the ATC posts on the New Posts search.That is understandable, but as I recall, there is another full thread about his situation which kinda makes this thread meaningless in comparison from a legal standpoint
Yes that's exactly what i mean. The guy I was speaking with said that there would be two pilots flying, one as a safety pilot and the mentor in the back seat and that it was loggable time. What if the mentor had their CFI. Would that make a difference?Do you mean you are in the back seat as the mentor?
No. Not loggable.
Yes that's exactly what i mean. The guy I was speaking with said that there would be two pilots flying, one as a safety pilot and the mentor in the back seat and that it was loggable time.
No. If you sat up front then yes. Is there a reason why you can't be the safety pilot?What if the mentor had their CFI. Would that make a difference?
Exactly! I don't understand these people posting about logging dual given from the back seat. What's the point of you being the CFI sitting in the back? If something goes wrong, what help are you going to be besides offering moral support as the plane spirals to the ground?CFIs are allowed to give instruction from the back seat. There's no regulation specifically against it.
Would I do it?
I value my CFI Certificate, so probably not. Not that it isn't legal, but if something were to happen and I wasn't at a pilot station to be able to intervene then what would the feds say about that? It seems the CFI gets nailed on just about anything like that.
The thread went from mentoring to back seat CFI-ing (wow, I just made a word) when JrsyGuy asked if the mentor was a CFI, could they log the time? Also, I kind of combined this and another thread in my response about back seat CFI-ing.(There's been a few more posts about this lately.)How did we get from "mentorship" to "CFIing from the back seat"?
BTW, there are plenty of CFIs who provide instruction in airplanes that have a back seat but are not dual control. Mostly WWII fighter types, like P-51s, Corsairs, Sea Furys, etc. While there are dual control versions of some of those fighters, the vast majority of them are not. Such a practice is completely legal and loggable.
Taking it even further, as a military instructor I can log IP time if I'm not even in the same aircraft as the student. If he is solo (ergo, not qualified in the aircraft but "signed off" to solo), and I am providing in-flight instruction over the radio, that is completely loggable.
I don't see why it would not work the same way from the back seat of a 172.
That was the man's question.How did we get from "mentorship" to "CFIing from the back seat"?
You can log anything you want, Surreal. You can log flight sim time. You can log sofa time. You can log the time pushing a grocery cart. But none of it's is legit.Microsoft flight sim time. . .
I really don't think these are student pilots climbing into these high performance machines to get their initial ratings.
So, really the argument is "for initial ratings" CFIs should not be instructing from the back seat. This I understand and completely agree with.I would trust those people with a lot more than I would an 18 year old kid right out of high school who hasn't even been in an airplane before.