Most of the schools I'm looking at online seem to only offer the CFI course as a deal where you get the MEI first and then you can do the single engine add-on. Is this just a way of making more money off of you, or am I missing something? It looks like that's the only option ATP gives me. I really just want the CFI single engine (first) but it looks like most of the schools in the area do it like this.
MEI first?
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A150K
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Sheble Aviation in AZ is where I did mine (CFI-A only)...ATP does it that way because that is how their career program is set up.
I may end up just doing it that way, the only concern is that there really aren't any twins being used for instruction where I live so I don't know if it would just be a waste of money at this point.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Move to where the jobs are. No seriously, ATP is hiring.
Romulus
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Make sure that you will actually use that MEI/CFII before you spend all that money. Back when I was instructing I worked at a school that did zero multi or instrument instruction, mostly tailwheel stuff. So for me a tailwheel endorsement was a good investment but a MEI/CFII ad on would have taken me lots of hours at $25 and hour just to break even on. Im not saying do or don't do it that way, just think about what your end goal is before you plunk down all that money on multi time
I think I'll try to slog it out for a couple years doing the CFI thing around SDF. Not really in the mood to go be poor somewhere else!
Cessnaflyer
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
You can make quite a bit of money at larger schools and would make me rethink slogging it out in SDF.
I just don't have any desire to relocate for a CFI job. I like the area I'm in, if it takes a year or so longer to gain hours as a CFI and actually be happy while I'm doing it I think I could live with that.
CirrusMonkey
No Real Usefulness
If I remember right, you have to have a complex aircraft to do your initial commercial and CFI. If the school does not have a high performance single, then you are stuck doing your initial in a multi-engine aircraft? It's been a while, could be wrong.
Ajax
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You can do your CFII as the initial in a non complex and without a spin endorsement. Of course the CFI add on needs to be done with a complex single or do the MEI before adding CFI, at which point you would need a spin endorsement
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Transpac, Aerosim, Flight Safety, maybe ATP all pay well enough to not be too poor. They'll get you the hours you need to get on with an airline during the beginning of the hiring cycle..
Well, ATP has a location semi close to where I am. Otherwise I just don't see it happening. I'd rather do it as close to where I want to live as possible and hold out for something halfway commutable.
Nihon_Ni
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Can you cite the source for relief from the requirements of 61.183(i) and the Flight Instructor PTS?
§ 61.183 Eligibility requirements.
To be eligible for a flight instructor certificate or rating a person must:
(i) Accomplish the following for a flight instructor certificate with an airplane or a glider rating:
(1) Receive a logbook endorsement from an authorized instructor indicating that the applicant is competent and possesses instructional proficiency in stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery procedures after providing the applicant with flight training in those training areas in an airplane or glider, as appropriate, that is certificated for spins; and
(2) Demonstrate instructional proficiency in stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery procedures. However, upon presentation of the endorsement specified in paragraph (i)(1) of this section an examiner may accept that endorsement as satisfactory evidence of instructional proficiency in stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery procedures for the practical test, provided that the practical test is not a retest as a result of the applicant failing the previous test for deficiencies in the knowledge or skill of stall awareness, spin entry, spins, or spin recovery instructional procedures. If the retest is a result of deficiencies in the ability of an applicant to demonstrate knowledge or skill of stall awareness, spin entry, spins, or spin recovery instructional procedures, the examiner must test the person on stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery instructional procedures in an airplane or glider, as appropriate, that is certificated for spins;
Aircraft and Equipment Required for the Practical TestThe flight instructor applicant is required by 14 CFR part 61, section 61.45 to provide an airworthy, certificated aircraft for use during the practical test. This section further requires that the aircraft must:
1. Be of U.S., foreign or military registry of the same category, class, and type for the certificate and/or rating for which the applicant is applying;
2. Have fully functioning dual controls except as provided in 14 CFR part 61, section 61.45(c) and (e); and3. Be capable of performing all appropriate TASKS for the flight instructor rating sought and have no operating limitations, which prohibit the performance of those TASKS. A complex airplane must be furnished for the performance of takeoff and landing maneuvers, and appropriate emergency procedures. A complex landplane is one having a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable propeller. A complex seaplane is one having flaps, floats, and a controllable propeller. Airplanes that are equipped with a full authority digital engine control (FADEC) system are considered to have a controllable propeller.
towpilot2003
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If you're looking to log hours other types of jobs might be available to you as well. I wouldn't limit myself to purely instructing.
Ajax
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We're talking about the CFII, not the CFI so when referencing the PTS it will be FAA-S-8081-9D, not FAA-S--8081-6C.
As you mentioned, FAA-S-8081-6C does require a complex airplane:
However, FAA-S-8081-9D, the CFII PTS does notIn reference to spins, the CFI PTS has a task devoted to spins
The CFII PTS does not have spins as any task, however it is included under the special emphasis areas, which is its only mention.
It seems odd,specifically because of 61.183(i).
But, since you are getting your CFII, not CFI or MEI, it has no airplane rating on it. You would be a flight instructor instrument airplane, without a single-engine or multi-engine land rating attached.
Definitely, I'd honestly rather do something other than instructing, but they're few and far between without moving really far away or having 135 mins. I need to actually finish my commercial first. Just trying to think ahead though, I gotta get out of this current job...