Mei as initial....CFI also required?

USMC-SSGT

USMC-SSGT

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I am going to be doing my first instructor rating in the twin whether that be CFI or MEI (I am not sure how it works)

If I do my initial CFI in the twin can I also throw the MEI stuff in there at the same time and kill two birds with one stone or is it more complicated than that? It has to do with the FAA and the FSDO so I am sure it HAS to be more complicated than doing my initial CFI in the twin and doing a drag demo and some VMC stuff and calling it good. Anyone know the best route to go? Please dont say "just do your CFI in a 152 and save money" I know it saves money, I am doing it under VA and know the financial breakdowns

thanks for your help
 
USMC-SGT said:
I am going to be doing my first instructor rating in the twin whether that be CFI or MEI (I am not sure how it works)

If I do my initial CFI in the twin can I also throw the MEI stuff in there at the same time and kill two birds with one stone or is it more complicated than that? It has to do with the FAA and the FSDO so I am sure it HAS to be more complicated than doing my initial CFI in the twin and doing a drag demo and some VMC stuff and calling it good. Anyone know the best route to go? Please dont say "just do your CFI in a 152 and save money" I know it saves money, I am doing it under VA and know the financial breakdowns

thanks for your help
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You still have to do the CFI in a single after the MEI as initial.
 
thanks desertdog,

is it possible to do the CFI as the initial in the twin or does it have to be MEI as the initial if you are doing it in the twin?
 
USMC-SGT said:
thanks desertdog,

is it possible to do the CFI as the initial in the twin or does it have to be MEI as the initial if you are doing it in the twin?
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Its the MEI as initial. The CFI will be an add-on at that point for a single engine airplane.
 
USMC-SGT said:
thanks desertdog,

is it possible to do the CFI as the initial in the twin or does it have to be MEI as the initial if you are doing it in the twin?
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You are getting the two terms confused. The MEI is your initial CFI. MEI is nothing more than a shortened way of saying your are a CFI with multi privelages. Your certificate will say Flight Instructor, Multiengine. You can then do your single engine add-on. Just like your commercial initial can be either your CMEL or your CSEL.
 
meritflyer said:
You are getting the two terms confused. The MEI is your initial CFI. MEI is nothing more than a shortened way of saying your are a CFI with multi privelages. Your certificate will say Flight Instructor, Multiengine. You can then do your single engine add-on. Just like your commercial initial can be either your CMEL or your CSEL.
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:yeahthat:
 
Really the only difference between the MEI add-on practical and the MEI initial practical is if you do you MEI as initial you'll have to do the whole CFI oral including multi-engine specific items, you'll have to do ground reference maneuvers (no 8s on pylons), and you'll probably have to do it with the FSDO depending on where you are which will make it a bit more stressfull. Its probably an easier checkride than CFI Single engine as initial. I did my MEI as an add-on and it was the easiest checkride I've ever taken. If there's only a few extra things to do on an initial MEI ride, it can't be too bad.
 
USMC-SGT said:
I am going to be doing my first instructor rating in the twin whether that be CFI or MEI (I am not sure how it works)
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I think you are confused with the term "CFI".

CFI means Certified Flight Instructor. The term, by itself, does not specify the type of flight instructor you are.

On the CFI certificate are the ratings; Single Engine, Multi-Engine, & Instruments. Those are 3 seperate ratings. There are more, such as helicopter, glider, etc.

When you see the term by itself, it usually means Single Engine, since most people do the single engine first because of cost.

However, you can do any other rating first, and that is your rating, such as Multi-Engine. That makes you a Multi-Engine Instructor only. If that is all you are going to teach, that is all you need.

Make more sense now?
 
Let me break it down for you a bit more...

When it comes to fixed-wing single and multi-engine Land aircraft, there are three instructor certificates:
*Single-Engine CFI
*Mulit-Engine CFI (aka the MEI or Multi-engine instructor)
*and Instrument Instructor (aka the CFII or Certified Flight Instructor-Instrument).

The Single-Engine CFI allows you to give instruction (only in single-engine land aircraft) towards the following:
-Private
-Commercial
-High Performance (if you have it)
-Complex
-Tailwheel (if you have it)
-Flight Review (formerly known as a BFR)
-Sport Pilot
-Recreational Pilot
-Aircraft checkouts
-recurrent trianing
-*CFI
-Basically anything in a single-engine land airplane except for the instrument rating.

The Multi-engine CFI (MEI) allows you to do the same as above (*with the exception of CFI and the addition of MEI), only in multi-engine land aircraft.

The Instrument Insctructor Certificate (CFII) allows you to give instruction towards an instrument rating and a CFII rating in any fixed-wing single and multi-engine land aircraft that you are licensed and/or rated to fly. It doesn't matter whether you got it in a single or multi-engine aircraft. It counts for either (otherwise is a common misconception).

So basically if you get all three, you can give instruction towards anything in a single or multi-engine land aircraft that you are licensed and/or rated to fly.

There are little catches here and there however. For instance you must have 5 hours PIC in make and model of a multi-engine aircraft before you can give dual instruction in it. Also a note about giving instruction towards a any of the CFI certificates: You must have held your initial CFI certificate (whichever it may be) for 24 calendar months and you must have given at least 200 hours of dual-given before you can give instruction towards someone else's Initial CFI. You can give instruction towards any addon CFI that you already possess without the time or dual-given restriction. ...Basically. Hope I haven't left out any pertinent information.

More questions are always appreciated. Hope this helped.
 
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