Medical for BFR

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banjo

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Can you give a bfr to a guy that doesnt have a current medical? Im talking about a private pilot and not a sport pilot. Also looking for the reference.
 
Yes, because that person is not exercising the privileges of his/her certificate, ie they are not acting PIC. 61.23(a) Operations requiring a medical certificate.
 
Yes, but the CFI (with a valid medical) must act as the PIC as well as log the time as PIC time.
 
Brian Z said:
How can he satisfy the 1 hr flight time w/o a medical?
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1 hr of FLIGHT TRAINING. Just like with a student, but the person receiving training can log PIC under sole manipulator of the controls when rated in category, class, and type if type is required.

Guy said:
Yes, but the CFI (with a valid medical) must act as the PIC as well as log the time as PIC time.
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The CFI should be logging PIC anyway (all time acting as an authorized instructor), and the person receiving the training should log PIC time as the sole manipulator of the controls when rated in category and class. No medical requirement to log PIC.
 
Guy said:
Yes, but the CFI (with a valid medical) must act as the PIC as well as log the time as PIC time.
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Why? Nothing in the regs say you have to have a medical to log PIC, you just can't act PIC without the medical. Guy without a medical logs PIC, in this case.
 
Guy said:
Yes, but the CFI (with a valid medical) must act as the PIC as well as log the time as PIC time.
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Keep in mind, both the CFI with the valid medical and private pilot can log PIC in this case. If the PP is sole manipulator; nothing says you must have a valid medical to log the time.

EDIT: Darn, beat me to it KSCessnaDriver :)
 
msmspilot said:
The CFI should be logging PIC anyway (all time acting as an authorized instructor), and the person receiving the training should log PIC time as the sole manipulator of the controls when rated in category and class. No medical requirement to log PIC.
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Go back and read what I wrote. It didn't have anything to do with logging time. It had to do with acting as PIC.
 
Guy said:
Go back and read what I wrote. It didn't have anything to do with logging time. It had to do with acting as PIC.
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Ok, then the nit I'll pick is that the CFI doesn't have to log the PIC time. Only has to ACT as PIC

;)
 
msmspilot said:
Ok, then the nit I'll pick is that the CFI doesn't have to log the PIC time. Only has to ACT as PIC

;)
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That is correct. The CFI doesn't have to log the time at all. The point was he does have to act as PIC. Who was the PIC (person acting as PIC) very often becomes an issue following an accident and is something that should be clearly understood by the parties involved before the flight and ideally documented in a manner that will survive following a worst case scenario.
 
Guy said:
That is correct. The CFI doesn't have to log the time at all. The point was he does have to act as PIC. Who was the PIC (person acting as PIC) very often becomes an issue following an accident and is something that should be clearly understood by the parties involved before the flight and ideally documented in a manner that will survive following a worst case scenario.
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It was the way you wrote it originally. "must act as the PIC as well as log the time as PIC time." You implied a "must" to both acting and logging. Nevermind though, the nitpicking shall cease...:D
 
Guy said:
That is correct. The CFI doesn't have to log the time at all. The point was he does have to act as PIC. Who was the PIC (person acting as PIC) very often becomes an issue following an accident and is something that should be clearly understood by the parties involved before the flight and ideally documented in a manner that will survive following a worst case scenario.
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If the pilot is already out of the 24 calendar month period, it doesn't really matter, since he can't act as PIC until he receives his training and endorsement.
 
Guy said:
Who was the PIC (person acting as PIC) very often becomes an issue following an accident and is something that should be clearly understood by the parties involved before the flight and ideally documented in a manner that will survive following a worst case scenario.
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My guess is the FAA is going to pin it on the CFI regardless of what documentation is provided. I think it would be a poor defense for a CFI to say, "Hey, I was only flight instructing. Joe Private Pilot with 50 hours total time was acting as PIC."

That being said, the flight school I work at has a policy that assumes the CFI is always acting as PIC.
 
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