Marines PFT

Well, said, Jim, and I agree with you whole-heartedly. I think the reason that the PFT is so plain-jane is so that you can use it across the board easily. Wish there was an easy answer you that...

Phrog, when was the last time your squadron took the time to go run the O Course as a unit? Or did squadron BST training/testing?

Just wondering...I know that the "flight schedule" has probably been pretty full.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
 
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Part of being a squared away Devil Dog is your proficiency in your MOS. That's even across the board. Anybody that would argue with that is an idiot.

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Agree

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However, if you're a Corporal in the U.S. Marine Corps and you can't drill a platoon to NAVMC 2691 standards, you need to rip that stripe off of your trousers and lower your head in shame. Period. There's no excuse. I really don't care if you're an avionics technician for Jesus' helicopter.

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Damn, son....you still got the reg numbers memorized? Squared away!

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If you can't execute the sword manual to those same specifications, you should consider going UA and joining the Air Force under a different name. Even if your primary MOS is that of river current speed measurer.

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We're taking fire here!!!!!!! LOL. Fratricide. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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If you can't at least get out in front of your unit and sing cadences for 3 minutes during PT without running out of things to sing, you should fall to the rear, make an abrupt stop and let the safety vehicle end your misery. Even if you run a 300 PFT and you're the President's crew chief.


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Lloyd, you're making R. Lee Ermey proud! You're in rare form today.

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These things aren't unique to the infantry. Hell, do you think infantrymen have nothing to do but sit around and drill all day? I think not. We had plenty of things to do, but NCO's need to do do things in addition to the bare minimum. Marine Corps units need to do more than the bare minimum.

If you're a T-64 engine mech, be the best damn T-64 mech in the MALS. Strive to be the best in the Marine Corps. But don't let some dumb grunt become the NCO of the quarter because he knew the answers to questions like "What's the cycle of operations for the M-16 Service rifle". Make you and every other air winger look like a POS a$$-bag hiding behind an MOS. Not like they didn't teach that in boot camp....


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Lloyd, you're making R. Lee Ermey proud! You're in rare form today.

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By the way, didn't mean anything bad with the Air Force comment... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. A pitcher of your choice on me in Vegas! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Lloyd, you're making R. Lee Ermey proud! You're in rare form today.

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By the way, didn't mean anything bad with the Air Force comment... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. A pitcher of your choice on me in Vegas! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Only problem is, that AF comment is unfortunately appropriate in some ways regards some of the people in the AF! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Lloyd, you're making R. Lee Ermey proud! You're in rare form today.

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Some things touch me in a special place.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

By the way, didn't mean anything bad with the Air Force comment... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. A pitcher of your choice on me in Vegas! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Only problem is, that AF comment is unfortunately appropriate in some ways regards some of the people in the AF! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Hey, you said it... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Well, since the billet I'm coming off of was instructing at a Navy training squadron, I'll have to say that we have never gone to the O-course. We don't even have one on this base!

At my last fleet squadron, we had BST training twice a year. While having a grasp of the rifleman stuff is important, comparing those who practice this stuff twice a year with grunts who do it everyday is ridiculous. While you deride the "flight schedule being too busy," come on. I didn't fall off the turnip truck. I've lived with grunts. When they aren't in the field, they PT, have classes, clean weapons, and field day and are still getting done well before 1600. If they WEREN'T PT studs and BST gods, THEN we'd have something to talk about. They can put these training events in the work day--not have to do everything else, and then tack on the BST on top.

I'm not saying that sqdn COs and OPSOs couldn't do a better job on scheduling this important training. I just think you have a biased and parochial view.
 
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Well, since the billet I'm coming off of was instructing at a Navy training squadron, I'll have to say that we have never gone to the O-course. We don't even have one on this base!


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I can feel your pain there...

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While having a grasp of the rifleman stuff is important, comparing those who practice this stuff twice a year with grunts who do it everyday is ridiculous.


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We haven't even begun talking rifleman stuff....cycle of operations of the M-16? Rifle range? Those should be common skills. I don't expect the wing folks to be able to run combat patrols and make fireplan sketches, just as I don't expect a machine gunner to be able to do NATOPS revisions. I don't expect a 46 crew chief to be able to identifly Soviet vehicles any more than I expect a Tow missle gunner to be able to troubleshoot an avionics gripe.

What I do expect is for a Corporal - any Corporal - to be able to know the cycle of operations of his/her service rifle, and train his/her Marines to do the same. I do expect that Corporal to be able to wear his/her uniform flawlessly, regardless of MOS. I expect any Corporal of Marines to understand that a Marine is a Marine, regardless of MOS.

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While you deride the "flight schedule being too busy," come on. I didn't fall off the turnip truck. I've lived with grunts. When they aren't in the field, they PT, have classes, clean weapons, and field day and are still getting done well before 1600.


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Those classes and cleaning weapons are no different from a pilot going on training missions and mechs doing dailys on aircraft. It's maintaining proficiency.

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As far as getting off a 1600, well consider that "comp time" for being in the field for half of your life (give or take...).
I just think you have a biased and parochial view.

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I don't mean to sound that way....I spent as much time in the wing as I did in the grunts. I think it's the responsibility of the leadership to instill a sense of pride in being a Marine to the subordinates. As an instructor, I made sure that my Marines we squared away. I made sure that they knew those things that many in the wing assumed to be "grunt knowledge". In addition to being quared away within their MOS, I included their Marine Corps knowledge and pride in their Pro & Con marks. Some incentive.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Now, if a Sergeant can do that, think of what the Gunnies and Captains can do!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Damn I wish I would have caught the ongoing conversation a little sooner anyway..... Yes I agree that there are better ways to measure physical fitness relative to being a Marine and the situations in which one might find themself but that's not the point. The point is that to be an effective leader one must possess DISCIPLINE. Not that PT is an end all be all measure of one's discipline but it takes considerable discipline to PT in a way that you are constantly improving yourself which subsequently is another mark of a good leader.
 
Ok, I just read all of this. Good Stuff. I personally hated the PFT. What would you expect, I was a winger with the 4th MAW. You can't beat a reserve winger in a laziness competition now can you? LOL. No argument there. One important asset I learned in the Corps was attention to detail. This is stressed with regards to the wearing of our uniforms. I don't have to tell you former Marines about this. Yet, during a Service A inspection, the SSGT assisting the XO had trousers which were about an inch, maybe 1/2 inch higher than the top of his shoe. No it was an inch.
Disgusting! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif Can you say •bird? Must have been enjoying a lot of snacks while laying on his couch in orange county. Now you know where I was stationed.
Anyway just my $.02

Semper Fi
once a..., always a...
 
Hello 71,

PFT was cool, but I hated singing while doing formation runs. I'd much rather have some fast marching music to run to!

Semper Fi,

JR
 
hey now...as a new marine...fresh out of bootcamp, I hate to see fellow devil dogs argue about who is more of a Marine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/argue.gif I know damn well, that regardless of where I am, when theres another Marine next to me, he's my brother...end of story. Were both Marines, and I would fight for him (or her...) in a heartbeat. So please devil dogs...show some pride in one another!

Oh, and as far as the PFT goes...its still a 180 min. But when we say pullups, its all the way up, and all the way down (til your arms lock out) Damn Drill Instructors...you dont know how many times I did 22 pullups, but only 15 got counted!!!!! My PFT as of last month is a 291...It was the 3 mile run that took me. I ran it in 19:30, but for a perfect 300, you have to get it in 18:00 flat. I got 22 pullups, and 123 crunches. I was so surprised when I got to bootcamp, that they dont really do pushups at all...unless youre getting IT'd. Hey the sand is a Marine's best friend...right. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

"Born to fight, trained to kill, prepared to die but NEVER WILL! -semper fi"
 
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hey now...as a new marine...fresh out of bootcamp, I hate to see fellow devil dogs argue about who is more of a Marine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/argue.gif I know damn well, that regardless of where I am, when theres another Marine next to me, he's my brother...end of story. Were both Marines, and I would fight for him (or her...) in a heartbeat. So please devil dogs...show some pride in one another!

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Never any pride for an air winger that's never humped a pack for weeks at a time.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

By the way, if the Marine next to you was a winger, you'd have no choice but to fight for him - he probably wouldn't remember how to shoot his rifle. instead, he'd be complaining about the flight schedule....

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