Malaysian 777 Plane Crashes in Ukraine

MikeD said:
It doesn't even take guys being at the airport perimeter to accomplish something like this.

Look at PHX, for instance. All it takes is some guys to sit at a hotel at night and watch the arrival flows from the NE and from the SE. Then, they could hike up the McDowell mountains east of Scottsdale or the SanTan mountains south of Willie-Gateway, and they've bought themselves some "closing distance" from the arriving traffic; as well as being in the middle of nowhere. Fire a MANPAD from there, and they could be gone long before anyone saw them (if they fired at dusk, for example), and before anyone could respond out there...since most emergency response units would be heading to the scene of the crash anyway. And those areas I mentioned are anywhere from 35-50 nm from KPHX itself. Scary thought.
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If you think Phoenix is scary, how about San Diego?

Hang out in Balboa Park after dark, launch a missile, plane goes down, probably killing some people on the ground as well because the approach path takes it right over downtown. By the time the police arrive, you're on the 163 headed to Los Angeles or on the 5 headed to the Mexican border and nobody has a clue where you went.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Hmm. I'm not sure that's true. Maybe you meant largest consumer? That's certainly true.

Yeah your arms must be tired from flying over to the middle east all the time. "We" are there to protect our totally bankrupt, dead-end "roll-diesel", retarded not-even-really-an-Ideology. It's not even the absence of an Ideology, it's more like the opposite of one.
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Here, first, I'll do the typing for you. The information is free, and readily available. We gots this neet thing called the "Googles."

Second, I am tired of paying taxes so I can support all these people in countries like this, SO THEY CAN KEEP FIGHTING. It's ludicrous! IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM! Do I feel bad for them, maybe a little. But no one said you have to agree with my point of view. I refuse to go over there, so my arms aren't tired. I value my life more than going over there(reference the recent events). I have reached the point of "Look, we tried to help, but you guys just keep going back to this war of religion that you just can't get over, so 'eff off! ALL OF Y'ALL! JUST 'EFF OFF!!!!" I'm not picking sides here. I'm just choosing neither side. Not Israel's, not Hamas's(Palestine's),neither side. I'm over it. "You guys figure it out, and call us when you're done."

Look at my point of view as my country is doing something about it, so I look at is as me doing something about it. Even if I hate my government, I still love my country. So I look at it as something I am contributing to, whether I feel good or bad about it. I am part of the problem, or the solution, because I am part of the country. When it gets to the point that I can no longer tolerate it, I'll pack up my stuff and leave.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Hmm. I'm not sure that's true. Maybe you meant largest consumer? That's certainly true.

Yeah your arms must be tired from flying over to the middle east all the time. "We" are there to protect our totally bankrupt, dead-end "roll-diesel", retarded not-even-really-an-Ideology. It's not even the absence of an Ideology, it's more like the opposite of one.
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Here, first, I'll do the typing for you. The information is free, and readily available. We gots this neet thing called the "Googles."

Second, I am tired of paying taxes so I can support all these people in countries like this, SO THEY CAN KEEP FIGHTING. It's ludicrous! IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM! Do I feel bad for them, maybe a little. But no one said you have to agree with my point of view. I refuse to go over there, so my arms aren't tired. I value my life more than going over there(reference the recent events). I have reached the point of "Look, we tried to help, but you guys just keep going back to this war of religion that you just can't get over, so 'eff off! ALL OF Y'ALL! JUST 'EFF OFF!!!!" I'm not picking sides here. I'm just choosing neither side. Not Israel's, not Hamas's(Palestine's),neither side. I'm over it. "You guys figure it out, and call us when you're done."

Look at my point of view as my country is doing something about it, so I look at is as me doing something about it. Even if I hate my government, I still love my country. So I look at it as something I am contributing to, whether I feel good or bad about it. I am part of the problem, or the solution, because I am part of the country. When it gets to the point that I can no longer tolerate it, I'll pack up my stuff and leave.
 
Not sure if this was posted before the derail, but a transcript of a phone call between separatists has been released:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...pped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html
Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.

“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Grek”: Yes, Major.

"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?

“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

“Greek”: Are many people there?

“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?

“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?

“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

“Greek”: Are there documents?

“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.

Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.

They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?

Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.
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MikeD said:
It doesn't even take guys being at the airport perimeter to accomplish something like this.

Look at PHX, for instance. All it takes is some guys to sit at a hotel at night and watch the arrival flows from the NE and from the SE. Then, they could hike up the McDowell mountains east of Scottsdale or the SanTan mountains south of Willie-Gateway, and they've bought themselves some "closing distance" from the arriving traffic; as well as being in the middle of nowhere. Fire a MANPAD from there, and they could be gone long before anyone saw them (if they fired at dusk, for example), and before anyone could respond out there...since most emergency response units would be heading to the scene of the crash anyway. And those areas I mentioned are anywhere from 35-50 nm from KPHX itself. Scary thought.
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Why do that when you can just light your underwear on fire and blow you manhood off?
 
Back on topic

CNN keeps showing what looks like a missile carcass, anyone know what that's about?
 
tonyw said:
That's some seriously evil stuff. And if they got caught, how badly would that backfire? There would be ZERO support for sanctions against Russia if Ukraine deliberately shot down the plane. All financial aid to them would go bye bye.

Even if they wanted to, the repercussions if they were caught would be too serious to risk.
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I'm inclined to reserve judgments until there's some sort of investigation, but: if indeed this airplane was shot down, we should find the people responsible and they should die.

That's an odd thought for me, but it's been a week for odd thoughts, and shooting down a foreign airliner transiting your airspace is not something you are allowed to do.

Derg said:
Well, I didn't have a heck of a lot of time to opine today but I do care about the situation, greatly.

Flying from AMS to BOM, you fly over Simferopol, Crimea, Iran or Iraq (sometimes both), Afghanistan, Pakistan and a whole lot of oil platforms in the Persian Gulf, at times, that could have "anything" out there.

Erase some of those flights through the region, less passengers being fed to the US, less passengers mean cutbacks and shizzle's gonna "get real" when you're junior and on the street and the bills keep rolling in.

We work in a global marketplace and as we've seen, the "Butterfly Effect" is in full force in our industry. Don't ever think we're buffered from world events.

Ever.
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I would imagine that there was some excited talking on telephones in various SOCs today about the situation. From what I'm reading right now, all of Ukrainian airspace was evacuated of civilian flights and remains closed surface to unlimited.
 
Crop Duster said:
World's shortest joke: So this baby seal walks into a club...
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