ahw01
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Yeh. Not sure Edelweiß and Austrian count as that foreign. This isn’t Fly Norwegian or Norse Atlantic…
Lufthansa Strike
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ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Edelweiss has been around a long time with a consistently small fleet, Austrian is seperate like the Air France/KLM deal.
Lufthansa once had CityLine flying A340s FRA-SJC, they've done "the most" as far as scope goes. Lol
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A150K
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Discover is another one they farmed out long haul flying to with 330s transferred from LH. We've been getting Discover instead of LH in PHL for quite awhile.
Granted I'm always on vacation when I'm there so that skews it a bit, but I always come back extremely jealous. Public transit that's easy to use and mostly just... works, the availability of generally good food, fresh food within walking distance. Restaurants and bars don't feel like they're priced at scam "screw you" levels just because. And on top of that I don't feel like I'm eating mass produced, frozen Sysco crap no matter what restaurant I'm in.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Yep, those things are always a part of it for sure. Fair to say that between work and vacations I've spent well over a year of my life in Euro land, heck we did a month just in the Balkans a few years back. Heading back for another 5 weeks this fall as well, can't wait!
I always come away with a sense that in general, European culture have a few more things figured out than we do. For example, most conversations don't start with what you do for work, but what you do for life or anything other than work. Most simply don't care. Joie de vivre as the French say, who cares about checking emails on the weekends and might as well take a month off in late summer because it's too hot.
There are certainly some positives of 'Merica and our way of life, but that's the beauty of travel I reckon opening one's mind to other ways of doing things. We're still a relatively young nation and culture and have plenty of issues to sort out. Good news is, we don't plan to stick around forever while that happens. Planning to retire over yonder, sipping wine, riding bikes all the while having fantastic & cheap healthcare. JC party at our digs one of these years!
sorrygottarunway
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I remember being on the Jumpseat on a full FRA-BER and while I was warmly welcomed by the LH captain, I felt like he was about to punch the city line pilot in the other Jumpseat, all around the time this was happening.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Discover is just the evolution of Eurowings, they are more like ITA or Austrian to LH than CityLine. Eurowings started with a pair of MD-80s IIRC doing Mediterranean holiday flying in the late 80s or very early 90s and then went to ATRs and some CRJs and became a large feeder for Lufthansa while also publishing their own timestables and selling their own tickets independently across Western EU and Germany. They became a fairly early A319 operator in the later 1990s but those jets were doing their own thing, tho LH probably codeshared on the scheduled runs. Things got funky by the 2010s after Lufthansa Group gobbled up its feeders and then used Eurowings kind of like they used to use Condor before the sale to Thomas Cook as a leisure brand, and then "Eurowings Discover" came along with A330s and A340s as another subsidiary. That became Discover Airlines who flies to MSP, LAS, and other US points today with A330s.
Because of that gradual history and the fact Eurowings wasn't doing many LH legacy routes but rather doing leisure stuff, I haven't read much at all over the years about LH mainline labor disputes over Eurowings. However, the CityLine A340 to Silicon Valley stuff is pretty much the same as American giving 787s to Envoy to operate AA flights or Alaska giving the A330s to Horizon. Much more rabble rabble, and why the story by @sorrygottarunway doesn't surprise me lol.