Lots of Entry Level Survey Jobs (CSEL w/ Instrument Rating to fly 172s for Pictometry)

You could negotiate days off at Air America they just wouldn't pay you for them if you did it in advance. I wanted to fly every day, get my time and move on and still went out and had fun I'd just start drinking earlier, like happy hour and would almost never stay out too late unless we were waiting for snow to melt. Every pilot handled it differently and I don't want to get into all of the details. I never once had the boss ever contact me over the time in the morning I started or when I finished. I know some Landcare guys had their bosses call the FBOs to check in on them and I'm not sure that ever happened at AA while I was there.

We also had seniority and it was the plane assigned to projects when I worked there. The most senior guys had their pick of planes, but the bosses would decide which plane went where. If you didn't mind giving up your fancy SP you could swap out with someone headed somewhere else. I'm pretty certain they've done away with that in recent years.
One complaint I've heard from some about Landcare is micro management. I did witness the boss call a pilot to ask why he was on the ground. I was down for maintenance and this kid was slacking off for a couple hours. You call in before you take off and when you land. For the most part, you are in your early 20's on your first flying job out on the road and unsupervised. If I was the boss, you'd be calling me too. As far as extra time off; say you've been busting your butt off in Phoenix and you are wore out, call the boss and let him know you need a break. You will get it and still get paid.
 
One complaint I've heard from some about Landcare is micro management. I did witness the boss call a pilot to ask why he was on the ground. I was down for maintenance and this kid was slacking off for a couple hours. You call in before you take off and when you land. For the most part, you are in your early 20's on your first flying job out on the road and unsupervised. If I was the boss, you'd be calling me too.

There was a lot of micromanagement at Air America towards the end of my time there and I had mostly dodged it, but the manager responsible for most of it is no longer with them. I'm not sure what the extent of it is today with Jake running things, but I could certainly see some valid criticism of the 1099 with how it was being run for a lot of the new guys when I had left. I think that was extremely demoralizing dealing with it. I can certainly understand the bosses wanting to check in. Right before I left supposedly some young kid that was being prepped for an Aztec job decided to hop in his 172 and fly to visit his GF, only to have to fly back to return the crew car keys and then fly back again to see his GF. He didn't last long after that, but honestly I'm surprised at how few problems we had getting work done as a whole.
 
It was a solid plane and I think one of the oldest in the fleet. I only had 20 hours in the thing off the top of my head, but almost all the SPs had some quirk and that thing was pretty much squawk free when I flew it. I'm anxious to see what the NTSB flies and I don't want to rush to judge either the pilots or mechanics, but I know it's scaring some pilots away at least until the investigation is concluded.
I don't think the scary thing is that the accident happened, as if you run enough machines long enough something like that will happen, but the crappy situation the poor guy is in with having monstrous medical bills as a contractor with possibly no workers comp.
 
I don't think the scary thing is that the accident happened, as if you run enough machines long enough something like that will happen, but the crappy situation the poor guy is in with having monstrous medical bills as a contractor with possibly no workers comp.

Not just a possibility of no worker's compensation, but an almost guarantee that he won't see a dime from his employer.
 
Not just a possibility of no worker's compensation, but an almost guarantee that he won't see a dime from his employer.

Of course he'll see a dime if there was something wrong with the plane. Quite a few dimes, possibly several million dimes if he lawyers up. Who's to say the insurance isn't covering anything either? There are so little details of the case out there that maybe Air America was quite wrong or maybe the pilot was at fault. None of us know for sure, aside from maybe Pntbllr233 and I don't believe you've been actively staying in touch with the families of the pilots to know exactly how they've been treated or the NTSB to find out how the investigation is going.

I can't remember all of the crashes the vendors have had over the years. I know a DWAS pilot CFIT'd years ago and got killed and I believe at least every vendor that's been around for more than one or two seasons has had some sort of incident if not accident. I don't think the DWAS employee that the NTSB ruled committed CFIT had any extra protection for doing so handed out to him or his family because he was an employee, but please correct me if I'm wrong. http://ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20061109X01635&ntsbno=SEA07FA012&akey=1

That said it sucks that anyone has had any sort of misfortune among survey pilots and I'm lucky as hell that I've never had any in-flight emergencies.

That's your third anti-Air America post in this thread do you have any other beefs you'd like to share about them with potential pilots here?
 
I don't have an issue with their operation or pilots. I have an issue with the company suggesting that they are contract employees when they are not, and saving money off the pilot's back. I did not fly for a stellar vendor either, but I at least knew that if something happened on the job that I was going to be treated properly as an employee.
 
I don't have an issue with their operation or pilots. I have an issue with the company suggesting that they are contract employees when they are not, and saving money off the pilot's back. I did not fly for a stellar vendor either, but I at least knew that if something happened on the job that I was going to be treated properly as an employee.

Were you treated properly? I still don't understand how these companies are exempt from a minimum wage and overtime when you're on the road, working 7 days a week. It's all a bit shady honestly and not just limited to AA.
 
The same way I don't get paid for 24 hours of work as an airline pilot.

At Air America we got paid $20 a flight hour beyond 2.5 hours and $20 for starting our engines so we always at least made minimum wage even if we fly 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. I wasn't aware of Landcare or NSA paying a flight bonus at all in addition to every day pay, unless that's been a recent development.
 
I'd shy away from Air America. It's time for their 1099 contract employee crap to stop.

As someone who enjoyed my time at Air America for the most part, I would also encourage anyone looking for a job to avoid Air America. The risks of being a 1099 contractor, especially in such a relatively dangerous job, greatly outweigh any benefits. As a 1099 contractor, you are considered legally self-employed and you will not received any sort or worker's comp if you are injured on the job (not far fetched, given the accident rate in the General Aviation world; and as has been mentioned, this actually happened to an AA pilot back in June). Also, if you get in an incident or accident and there is damage to the aircraft, Air America's insurance company will likely sue you to cover the damages. The imaging pilot contracts are written so that you are responsible for any damage to the aircraft that occurs while you are assigned to it- even if caused by a third party. Air America recommends that their pilots purchase renter's insurance, but this really wouldn't do any good as most Renter's Insurance policies do not cover commercial operations, and the company should and probably does know better than to claim that it does.

Besides the issues of liability and lack of Worker's Comp, there is also the issue of taxes. Since you are considered self-employed as an independent contractor, you are required the pay twice as much in Social Security and Medicare taxes as if you were a W2 employee (since traditionally, the employer and employee each pay half). That's another 7% or so of your income down the drain right there. Also, at least one former AA pilot has had the IRS come after them claiming they still owed taxes, thanks to the 1099 arrangement. The fact is the 1099 Independent Contractor arrangement is actually illegal (for it to be legal, the pilot would probably have to be the one to own/provide the aircraft, and probably the cameras as well). Because it is illegal, you could easily be slapped with back taxes by the IRS. Also, the fact that you are self-employed increases your chances of being audited, especially if you claim any business expense deductions. It also means your Per Diem is taxable, even though Per Diem for W-2 employees generally isn't. Air America is evading taxes on their pilot's backs with the 1099 scam, and as far as I'm concerned their owner and business director belong in jail for tax fraud.

It's a shame, really. Like I said, I enjoyed my time there, and I think it could be great company to work for if it weren't for the 1099 scam.

There was a lot of micromanagement at Air America towards the end of my time there and I had mostly dodged it, but the manager responsible for most of it is no longer with them. I'm not sure what the extent of it is today with Jake running things, but I could certainly see some valid criticism of the 1099 with how it was being run for a lot of the new guys when I had left. I think that was extremely demoralizing dealing with it. I can certainly understand the bosses wanting to check in. Right before I left supposedly some young kid that was being prepped for an Aztec job decided to hop in his 172 and fly to visit his GF, only to have to fly back to return the crew car keys and then fly back again to see his GF. He didn't last long after that, but honestly I'm surprised at how few problems we had getting work done as a whole.

The pilot flying home to see his girlfriend did happen. The 8-Mile Scandal- it was the talk of the company for weeks afterward! The pilot had one of the nicest 172SPs at the time, and was demoted to Log as punishment.

I don't think the scary thing is that the accident happened, as if you run enough machines long enough something like that will happen, but the crappy situation the poor guy is in with having monstrous medical bills as a contractor with possibly no workers comp.

It is true that accidents do tend happen sooner or later, but It wouldn't surprise me at all if Air America's maintenance was a factor. The company tended to be very penny-wise and pound-foolish with maintenance, although they were worse about this with the Aztecs than the 172s. At the same time, as much of a jerk move it is to say this when the pilot was injured, it could be that the pilot was partly to blame. There were plenty of times I was shocked by what maintenance issues other Air America pilots would fly with or what weather they would fly in, but they did it anyway since they wanted to build hours.

Of course he'll see a dime if there was something wrong with the plane. Quite a few dimes, possibly several million dimes if he lawyers up. Who's to say the insurance isn't covering anything either? There are so little details of the case out there that maybe Air America was quite wrong or maybe the pilot was at fault. None of us know for sure, aside from maybe Pntbllr233 and I don't believe you've been actively staying in touch with the families of the pilots to know exactly how they've been treated or the NTSB to find out how the investigation is going.

I can't remember all of the crashes the vendors have had over the years. I know a DWAS pilot CFIT'd years ago and got killed and I believe at least every vendor that's been around for more than one or two seasons has had some sort of incident if not accident. I don't think the DWAS employee that the NTSB ruled committed CFIT had any extra protection for doing so handed out to him or his family because he was an employee, but please correct me if I'm wrong. http://ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20061109X01635&ntsbno=SEA07FA012&akey=1

That said it sucks that anyone has had any sort of misfortune among survey pilots and I'm lucky as hell that I've never had any in-flight emergencies.

That's your third anti-Air America post in this thread do you have any other beefs you'd like to share about them with potential pilots here?

It's not that pilots who are W-2 employees are afforded extra protection in the even of an accident, it's that they are eligible for Worker's Comp, a form of insurance all W-2 employees have as employers are (in most jurisdictions) legally required to provide it. Because Air America's pilots are independent contractors, they are not covered. This means the pilot of N21767 is not eligible for a benefit the vast majority of employees in the nation receive, and will probably be on the hook for thousands if not millions in medical bills that a W-2 employee would not.

Also, because he was a 1099 independent contractor, it will probably be difficult to sue even if there was something wrong with the plane. The imaging pilot contracts state that pilots are liable for any damage, and Air America could easily argue that, as PIC, he should have known the plane was un-airworthy and not flown if it were unsafe. Then there's the fact that Air America likely has deeper pockets that any of their pilots do. I think it's unlikely a pilot could successfully sue the company. They could sue arguing Air America should provide Worker's Comp but I don't think that would work either since Air America would just point out that the pilot also agreed to the 1099 arrangement.

I used to recommend Air America to pilots looking for jobs, but I regret it now. I strongly advise any prospective Picto pilots to stay away from Air America and look into the other vendors instead.
 
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As someone who enjoyed my time at Air America for the most part, I would also encourage anyone looking for a job to avoid Air America. The risks of being a 1099 contractor, especially in such a relatively dangerous job, greatly outweigh any benefits. As a 1099 contractor, you are considered legally self-employed and you will not received any sort or worker's comp if you are injured on the job (not far fetched, given the accident rate in the General Aviation world; and as has been mentioned, this actually happened to an AA pilot back in June). Also, if you get in an incident or accident and there is damage to the aircraft, Air America's insurance company will likely sue you to cover the damages. The imaging pilot contracts are written so that you are responsible for any damage to the aircraft that occurs while you are assigned to it- even if caused by a third party. Air America recommends that their pilots purchase renter's insurance, but this really wouldn't do any good as most Renter's Insurance policies do not cover commercial operations, and the company should and probably does know better than to claim that it does.

Thank you, Jacob. I know things had changed and AA was going after its employees that left before their contracts were up. Had you heard of AA coming after the pilot of the LiDAR Aztec at all? I had heard that was a total loss, but I thought the FAA cleared the pilot of any wrong doing. I had 875 taxi off of its chocks during a thunderstorm in Minnesota and had to chase after it in the downpour to get the thing to stop, but I do wonder what would've happened had it hit another plane. It's a bit of a surprise for me to hear these things, but I know I had heard from a few pilots that were doing anything they could not to go back to AA for a second season after last year.
 
Thank you, Jacob. I know things had changed and AA was going after its employees that left before their contracts were up. Had you heard of AA coming after the pilot of the LiDAR Aztec at all? I had heard that was a total loss, but I thought the FAA cleared the pilot of any wrong doing. I had 875 taxi off of its chocks during a thunderstorm in Minnesota and had to chase after it in the downpour to get the thing to stop, but I do wonder what would've happened had it hit another plane. It's a bit of a surprise for me to hear these things, but I know I had heard from a few pilots that were doing anything they could not to go back to AA for a second season after last year.

I wasn't aware of an accident/incident with a LiDAR aztec, unless you're referring to the LiDAR pilot who was hired right around the time you left? I know that pilot damaged the airplane somehow and was fired for it about a month or so after he started, but I wasn't sure what the nature of the damage was or how it happened. From what I was told, he damaged the airplane, and didn't tell management and continued to fly it anyway, so it sounds like he might not have been fired had he come clean right away. Haven't heard anything about any lawsuits by Air America to cover the damages.

There was an incident at Air America last fall, when a pilot landed one of the Aztecs gear-up. Insurance covered the damages, and the pilot wasn't fired, but the company docked his pay $5,000 to cover the deductible. If Ninja had hit another airplane or been damaged in the situation that happened to you, I suspect that's what the company would have done.

I'm not sure how exactly Air America goes after pilots who break contract, but I believe they may sue. They did raise the Early Termination Fee to $5,000, as there have been a lot of pilots breaking contract recently with how much the airlines have been hiring. Also, there was a pilot who left mid-season earlier this year, paid the early termination fee, and gave the company plenty of notice. So much notice, in fact, that one of his vacations was between the time he gave them notice and the time he left. Even though the company normally provides an airline ticket home for your vacations, they refused to in this case since he was breaking contract, even though he had paid the early termination fee.

It's true there are some pilots who are doing what they can to avoid coming back, even if they don't have ATP minimums yet. At least one person said he'd rather go to SkyLens than come back for a second season.
 
I wasn't aware of an accident/incident with a LiDAR aztec, unless you're referring to the LiDAR pilot who was hired right around the time you left? I know that pilot damaged the airplane somehow and was fired for it about a month or so after he started, but I wasn't sure what the nature of the damage was or how it happened. From what I was told, he damaged the airplane, and didn't tell management and continued to fly it anyway, so it sounds like he might not have been fired had he come clean right away. Haven't heard anything about any lawsuits by Air America to cover the damages.

I thought I heard about something like that when I was talking to some AA guys who had gone to Skywest this Winter, but I thought they might have been referring to this. http://www.avclaims.com/n5293y_photos.htm which looked like a total loss.

Going after a pilot for such a high deductible sounds pretty terrible honestly, even if it was his fault.
 
Thank you, Jacob. I know things had changed and AA was going after its employees that left before their contracts were up. Had you heard of AA coming after the pilot of the LiDAR Aztec at all? I had heard that was a total loss, but I thought the FAA cleared the pilot of any wrong doing. I had 875 taxi off of its chocks during a thunderstorm in Minnesota and had to chase after it in the downpour to get the thing to stop, but I do wonder what would've happened had it hit another plane. It's a bit of a surprise for me to hear these things, but I know I had heard from a few pilots that were doing anything they could not to go back to AA for a second season after last year.

I should also mention, one thing that has changed since you left is that the wording of the pilot contracts has been changed to make it more clear that the pilots are liable for any damages to the aircraft. The company also now recommends buying renter's insurance, since, according to Jake, a recent trend in the insurance industry is to sue third parties who are responsible of damages they covered for subrogation. Since, as independent contractors, the Air America pilots are technically a separate entity from the company, they could theoretically be sued by the company's insurance provider. I have not heard of this happening, though, either with the gear-up landing or any other incident- but that doesn't mean it won't in the future.

And of course, as I mentioned above, most Renter's Insurance policies don't cover commercial operations (since they are meant for pilots renting airplanes for personal use), so Renter's Insurance won't cut it anyway. For that reason, I think it's dishonest of the company to recommend purchasing it.
 
And of course, as I mentioned above, most Renter's Insurance policies don't cover commercial operations (since they are meant for pilots renting airplanes for personal use), so Renter's Insurance won't cut it anyway. For that reason, I think it's dishonest of the company to recommend purchasing it.

That sounds incredibly sketchy and I am amazed that anyone of them would suggest it. I hope there's much more to the story as I'd like to give some people the benefit of the doubt, but thankfully things at the other a few of the other vendors seem to be on the upswing so new pilots can go elsewhere.
 
I thought I heard about something like that when I was talking to some AA guys who had gone to Skywest this Winter, but I thought they might have been referring to this. http://www.avclaims.com/n5293y_photos.htm which looked like a total loss.

Going after a pilot for such a high deductible sounds pretty terrible honestly, even if it was his fault.

Oh my, I hadn't heard about that accident with N5293Y. Not sure how I managed not to hear about it since I was still at AA when it happened. Looks like it could have been a gear-up landing? Since I didn't know it happened, I have no idea what Air America did about it, or if they're suing the pilot. I'm sure they at least docked his pay to cover the deductible, though. I looked at a LiDAR report from shortly after it happened to see who the pilot was, and I haven't seen his name on the PDR since, so I suspect they fired him unless he was injured in the crash.

I agree it's pretty terrible to dock the pilots pay for a deductible, especially one that high. It would likely be illegal to do that to a W-2 employee. That whole incident is another reason I would recommend avoiding Air America.

That sounds incredibly sketchy and I am amazed that anyone of them would suggest it. I hope there's much more to the story as I'd like to give some people the benefit of the doubt, but thankfully things at the other a few of the other vendors seem to be on the upswing so new pilots can go elsewhere.

I hope there's more to the story as well. However, I'm guessing they're worried pilots will leave rather than sign another contract, so they hope by telling pilots that Renter's Insurance will protect them they can convince them to sign on. Just an attempt to dismiss any concerns over the possibility of being sued. In reality, to be protected from that sort of liability, you would probably need an insurance policy for a commercial operator. I have no idea how much that would cost but I'm sure it would be substantial.

It does seem like things are improving at other vendors as well, and I hope that trend continues. It also used to be that many of the other vendors required more hours, but it seems they have lowered their minimums to match Air America.
 
I should also mention, one thing that has changed since you left is that the wording of the pilot contracts has been changed to make it more clear that the pilots are liable for any damages to the aircraft. The company also now recommends buying renter's insurance, since, according to Jake, a recent trend in the insurance industry is to sue third parties who are responsible of damages they covered for subrogation. Since, as independent contractors, the Air America pilots are technically a separate entity from the company, they could theoretically be sued by the company's insurance provider. I have not heard of this happening, though, either with the gear-up landing or any other incident- but that doesn't mean it won't in the future.

And of course, as I mentioned above, most Renter's Insurance policies don't cover commercial operations (since they are meant for pilots renting airplanes for personal use), so Renter's Insurance won't cut it anyway. For that reason, I think it's dishonest of the company to recommend purchasing it.

Wow, I don't think thats even close to be appropriate or legal. If they dictate your start and end times, how you work (GOM and training), direct where you work, AND provide the tools (the aircraft), then you're not a 1099. I worked for a software company that provided a computer for its "1099" consultants (demanded we work on their equipment) and set a regular schedule for us. They didn't pay a guy who quit (Paid monthly) and he went to the IRS with it. Company was shut down as a result of the fines from the IRS. They had something like 20-25 programmers working for a couple of years like that.

@MidlifeFlyer Want to weigh in here regarding the 1099, Insurance, Liability and all the rest?
 
Wow, I don't think thats even close to be appropriate or legal. If they dictate your start and end times, how you work (GOM and training), direct where you work, AND provide the tools (the aircraft), then you're not a 1099. I worked for a software company that provided a computer for its "1099" consultants (demanded we work on their equipment) and set a regular schedule for us. They didn't pay a guy who quit (Paid monthly) and he went to the IRS with it. Company was shut down as a result of the fines from the IRS. They had something like 20-25 programmers working for a couple of years like that.

@MidlifeFlyer Want to weigh in here regarding the 1099, Insurance, Liability and all the rest?

You're right, it's inappropriate and it's very much illegal. I know some former Air America pilots have had the IRS come after them for back taxes thanks to the illegal 1099 arrangement, even two years after leaving. So far the company seems to be getting away with it, but I suppose they could get in trouble with the IRS eventually, and quite frankly I hope they do. Possibly no one has reported them, or they might have deep enough pockets to bribe the IRS and prevent them from intervening. Air America has probably had over 100 pilots over the years, and currently employs about 30 or 40, so I suppose it might be a matter of time before they get in trouble.

As for the bolded part, Air America meets all four of those, at least to a certain extent, and they certainly provide the airplanes. So they're definitely breaking the law.
 
You're right, it's inappropriate and it's very much illegal. I know some former Air America pilots have had the IRS come after them for back taxes thanks to the illegal 1099 arrangement, even two years after leaving. So far the company seems to be getting away with it, but I suppose they could get in trouble with the IRS eventually, and quite frankly I hope they do. Possibly no one has reported them, or they might have deep enough pockets to bribe the IRS and prevent them from intervening. Air America has probably had over 100 pilots over the years, and currently employs about 30 or 40, so I suppose it might be a matter of time before they get in trouble.

As for the bolded part, Air America meets all four of those, at least to a certain extent, and they certainly provide the airplanes. So they're definitely breaking the law.

Sadly there are far too many companies getting away with this in all industries. The IRS like many enforcement agencies have very limited budgets and can be selective about who they go after. I've seen enough of this that unless the company has deep pockets and is egregiously faulting the rules to the point where it makes the enforcement agency look bad, they likely wont go after them. I know a guy who just kept avoiding the IRS until they stopped coming to his office. He ran a small shop where most of the people he hired were either fresh off the boat or were illegals. He'd have someone who barely spoke English answer the door and give the guy from the IRS a difficult time. Told them to say he was in Japan while he was hiding in his office. The taxes owed weren't worth the trouble for the IRS to bust down the door.

I can't imagine why AA hasn't gotten hit. I do know that during the 60s and 70s there was a company that did a lot of work for the CIA. Maybe they still do and can avoid legal issues as a result.
 
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