Aeronautik
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[sniff]...smells like...[sniff].. yep. this all smells like BS to me.
Looking for guidance....
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kellwolf
Piece of Trash
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I don't recall ever hearing of a FO that didn't want to switch to the left seat!? I could understand if the FO felt like he couldn't handle the responsibilty of being the active PIC. I can't understand how he could be more comfortable on the under the command of a 1200 hour guy.
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This is the thing that doesn't sit right to me. The only thing I can think of is the FO isn't happy with the job, period. If that's true, I'd be asking why. It could be anything from personal preference on his part to bad working conditions or pressure to fly in unsafe conditions. If it's the latter, RUN AWAY.
Just as was said above, if you're serious about this take the initiative. Discovery flights are relatively cheap, and it's a good way to get your feet wet. Reading magazines are pretty useless, especially if you really don't know the topic. I've got my PPL and instrument, and most of Flying Magazine is worthless to me. I can't afford a G-IV, so why the hell do I want to see the pretty cockpit layout? Same goes for the brand new Mooney, Piper, Cessna, DiamondJet, etc.
I don't recall ever hearing of a FO that didn't want to switch to the left seat!? I could understand if the FO felt like he couldn't handle the responsibilty of being the active PIC. I can't understand how he could be more comfortable on the under the command of a 1200 hour guy.
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This is the thing that doesn't sit right to me. The only thing I can think of is the FO isn't happy with the job, period. If that's true, I'd be asking why. It could be anything from personal preference on his part to bad working conditions or pressure to fly in unsafe conditions. If it's the latter, RUN AWAY.
Just as was said above, if you're serious about this take the initiative. Discovery flights are relatively cheap, and it's a good way to get your feet wet. Reading magazines are pretty useless, especially if you really don't know the topic. I've got my PPL and instrument, and most of Flying Magazine is worthless to me. I can't afford a G-IV, so why the hell do I want to see the pretty cockpit layout? Same goes for the brand new Mooney, Piper, Cessna, DiamondJet, etc.
skydog
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Who knows, you might be a natural Chuck Yeager!
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Even Chuck Yeager wasn't a natural Chuck Yeager. And he will be the first to tell you that.
That aside, this is just another version of the "Who is the safer pilot? high time vs low time" discussion, with a bit of sour grapes thrown in.
Ignore the naysayers and do your own research.
"People who walk the beaten path always throw stones at people trying to find a new way"
Who knows, you might be a natural Chuck Yeager!
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Even Chuck Yeager wasn't a natural Chuck Yeager. And he will be the first to tell you that.
That aside, this is just another version of the "Who is the safer pilot? high time vs low time" discussion, with a bit of sour grapes thrown in.
Ignore the naysayers and do your own research.
"People who walk the beaten path always throw stones at people trying to find a new way"
shinysideup
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There are too many un-disclosed pieces of information about this.
First - a 12 seat jet - is a good size business jet - And most pilots who fly a 12 seat jet have worked their way to it, they didn’t build time flying on someone else’s check just to meet the insurance requirements. Some of them even spent years, full time to get to that point, even through accelerated programs you are looking at 8-12 months for the ratings (not including type). People like myself who went through these programs then spent several years either instructing or flying some other job to just get the opportunity to move up to even the right seat of a little bigger aircraft. Or even to a high performance twin piston poper. I have spent a little less then 5 years working my @$$ off, and just now have had the opportunity to fly a Beechjet, as a SIC. Even after instructing for 2 years, and flying other aircraft on the business side, I will honestly say that flying a business jet single pilot IFR would scare the crap out of me until I have a significant amount of time in the aircraft.
Second - a pilot (this co-pilot) who does have time flying business jets and does not want to take the captain seat is hiding something or your not telling us everything.
Third - There are thousands of pilots out there who are already very qualified to fly a jet for this lady. Why would she want to spend over $100,000 dollars on training you, when there are so many others out there? I understand that you have a history with her, but she can find plenty of other pilots out there that she could trust just as much. There are a lot of us, there is bound to be at least a few hundred others that can match the personality type.
Fourth - There have been several other requests for you to clarify your situation so we could help answer your questions, and you have provided none of that. It sounds like a lot of BS.
TO get a rise out of people, come up with some other BS story that is a little more believable, and be straight up with all of us when we are asking questions. The only reason for the questions is because it is a very unbelievable situation, especially when we have a better background in what you’re asking. You want straight answers then your going to have to give straight questions. There are too many un-disclosed pieces of information about this.
First - a 12 seat jet - is a good size business jet - And most pilots who fly a 12 seat jet have worked their way to it, they didn’t build time flying on someone else’s check just to meet the insurance requirements. Some of them even spent years, full time to get to that point, even through accelerated programs you are looking at 8-12 months for the ratings (not including type). People like myself who went through these programs then spent several years either instructing or flying some other job to just get the opportunity to move up to even the right seat of a little bigger aircraft. Or even to a high performance twin piston poper. I have spent a little less then 5 years working my @$$ off, and just now have had the opportunity to fly a Beechjet, as a SIC. Even after instructing for 2 years, and flying other aircraft on the business side, I will honestly say that flying a business jet single pilot IFR would scare the crap out of me until I have a significant amount of time in the aircraft.
Second - a pilot (this co-pilot) who does have time flying business jets and does not want to take the captain seat is hiding something or your not telling us everything.
Third - There are thousands of pilots out there who are already very qualified to fly a jet for this lady. Why would she want to spend over $100,000 dollars on training you, when there are so many others out there? I understand that you have a history with her, but she can find plenty of other pilots out there that she could trust just as much. There are a lot of us, there is bound to be at least a few hundred others that can match the personality type.
Fourth - There have been several other requests for you to clarify your situation so we could help answer your questions, and you have provided none of that. It sounds like a lot of BS.
TO get a rise out of people, come up with some other BS story that is a little more believable, and be straight up with all of us when we are asking questions. The only reason for the questions is because it is a very unbelievable situation, especially when we have a better background in what you’re asking. You want straight answers then your going to have to give straight questions. There are too many un-disclosed pieces of information about this.
fsiflyer
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Ok, I have been reading this and as the steam is building I have to chime in. Flying corporate is not an easy gig. Flying corporate single pilot is even harder. Flying corporate with a 12 pax airplane single pilot...thats just dangerous and kinda funny. I fly a Legacy jet which is about that size. We utilize a two crew concept which is by the way what the airplane is certified for. Even though we have a TON of automation and in regards to being a jet it is a simple one, it is in no way a breeze. Try 14 hour duty days, low vis approaches, snow, X-wind, and a boat full of pax that are complaining they are late and need to land now. It is TOUGH. Now try being away from your base of operations, deal with MX issues as they arise, do your own fuel planning and flight planning, solve issues with the pax, file international paperwork, and don't forget to the do the job you were initially hired for, FLY THE PLANE!! I am not trying to discourage you. I am trying to show you that one can not just step into this position without a solid base. Sure a captain will take up the slack for a while but keep screwing up and your liable to fall out of the plane on rotation. Things happen fast and a solid foundation will allow you to make CREW decisions that can save lives or cost them. There are MANY highly trained and qualified pilots out there. It is funny that someone who has so much money would not do research, have a management group consult her on a purchase, or even have a chief pilot who just knows what is going on. Go get your ratings, learn alot, flight instruct, learn even more, feel the pain and depression that sometimes comes with it so that when you do get that jet job you are not only ready for it but you truly appreciate it. There will be many ups and downs in this business but its the other pilots who have paid the same dues with you that help you through it. Anyhow, I am sure this is all jumbled up because I am trying to educate and not seem like I am mad or yelling. I wish you lots of luck but don't take this personally...at 1200 hours in 12 mos (which I can't believe is possible to a new pilot)YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED. Time in a book means nothing unless what is in your head is comensurate with whats in your book. Good luck I am done imparting knowledge because I know this will go to the way side.
So who wants to go get a beer I am off till Sunday night!! Keep the greasy side down and the blue side up, unless your Mike D and then apply the opposite.
So who wants to go get a beer I am off till Sunday night!! Keep the greasy side down and the blue side up, unless your Mike D and then apply the opposite.